Hurricane Rita Live Thread, Part IV

Category	Wind Speed	Barometric Pressure	Storm Surge	Damage Potential
Tropical Depression	< 39 mph < 34 kts			Minimal
Tropical Storm	39 - 73 mph 34 - 63 kts			Minimal
Hurricane 1 (Weak)	74 - 95 mph 64 - 82 kts	28.94" or more 980.02 mb or more	4.0' - 5.0' 1.2 m - 1.5 m	Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2 (Moderate)	96 - 110 mph 83 - 95 kts	28.50" - 28.93" 965.12 mb - 979.68 mb	6.0' - 8.0' 1.8 m - 2.4 m	Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3 (Strong)	111 - 130 mph 96 - 112 kts	27.91" - 28.49" 945.14 mb - 964.78 mb	9.0' - 12.0' 2.7 m - 3.7 m	Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4 (Very strong)	131 - 155 mph 113 - 135 kts	27.17" - 27.90" 920.08 mb - 944.80 mb	13.0' - 18.0' 3.9 m - 5.5 m	Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5 (Devastating)	Greater than 155 mph Greater than 135 kts	Less than 27.17" Less than 920.08 mb	Greater than 18.0' Greater than 5.5m	Catastrophic building failures possible

Those counties are near Port Arthur...right next to LA.

2,721 posted on 09/22/2005 3:48:53 PM PDT by SE Mom

Glocks are fine, I just like revolvers, my .44 mag with a 2 pound trigger pull is awsome ,personal preferance, what can you hit at a 100 yards with the glock, I can hit a milk jug.

2,722 posted on 09/22/2005 3:50:38 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))

How come the RV I use has two propane tanks and a three burner propane stove? An RV is an enclosed space.

Here are some answers:

Exposure to high levels of propane fuel occurs generally only while filling tanks or from a leak from the tank or fuel delivery system. Propane gas is heavier than air; therefore leakage from a vehicle parked or stored near an unventilated pit or a lower level room is a hazard.

Brief exposures to concentrations of propane up to 10,000 parts propane per million parts of air (ppm) do not cause any symptoms in humans. Exposures to very high concentrations of propane (100,000 ppm) can produce slight dizziness after a few minutes of exposure. At extremely high concentrations (several hundred thousand parts per million), propane acts as an asphyxiant by displacing oxygen. This means one could suffocate if exposed to high enough concentrations of propane because it dilutes the oxygen in the air.

There have only been a very few studies of accidental overexposure to propane; victims reported symptoms of disorientation, excitation, headache and vomiting.

In most Canadian jurisdictions the occupational exposure limit for propane is 1,000 parts per million, averaged over an 8-hour work day or a 40-hour work week. The occupational health and safety authority in each province or territory should be consulted for the latest information on exposure limits for propane.

Propane gas is very flammable and should be considered as a fire hazard.

What are hazards of propane combustion products?

Complete combustion of propane results in the formation of carbon dioxide and water vapour. Carbon monoxide is a by-product of combustion when there is not enough oxygen to burn the propane completely.

Carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide are hazards when propane-powered equipment is used in enclosed, poorly ventilated areas. Symptoms of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide overexposure include headache, fatigue, dizziness and nausea. Carbon monoxide is a toxic gas that interferes with the ability of the red blood cells to carry oxygen. Exposure to very high concentrations of carbon monoxide (more than 4,000 ppm) can result in coma or death.

Because carbon dioxide is an asphyxiant gas, exposure to extremely high concentrations (above 100,000 ppm) can result in death. Such life-threatening concentrations are very unlikely to occur in most workplace situations. However, symptoms of headache, fatigue and dizziness may show that there is inadequate ventilation in the workplace. The frequency of complaints of these symptoms increases as the carbon dioxide levels increase above 800-1,000 ppm.

Based on this information, I would surmise that the short term use of a propane stove in a typical home situation would be perfectly safe, since you could simply open the door or window to the outside to provide adequate oxygen to support proper combustion of the propane.

Been there and done it quite safely.

2,723 posted on 09/22/2005 3:51:23 PM PDT by GRRRRR

Oh noooooo...

I swear some people are not just stuck- but SUPERglued on stupid.

2,724 posted on 09/22/2005 3:51:54 PM PDT by SE Mom

25 hours after leaving Galveston, with one fuel stop and a stop to eat in Lufkin.

Words fail me...

Can't wait to hear about the marvelous evening you have planned for them...tomorrow...after they have a long sleep.

2,725 posted on 09/22/2005 3:52:22 PM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)

To: All Blue State

I heard the Matagorda officials say this. I called my friends down there...and they just laughed. Sounded like this was nothing new and just typical...They said 'don't sweat it, they're showing off again.' Who better than the locals to ask.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if those officials realized how stupid people can be? having seen it plenty of times before. Don't you just love those gossipy little towns?

2,727 posted on 09/22/2005 3:52:46 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)

Well the Texas residents seem to be a lot smarter in that so many of them started leaving early. But Now I a wondering if there leaders are in some ways also incompetent to plan evacuations. I know it must be an awful hard thing to plan for, but the first step should have been to have a tanker trucks full of Gas sitting at various locations along the way before the traffic jams started. You could also drop Gas containers from helicopters near disabled cars if you had too.

2,728 posted on 09/22/2005 3:53:01 PM PDT by Revel

I know the feeling. That is the way it is near B'ham where I65, I59, and I20 meet. It is always a mess. I think those are the interstates. What is going to happen to all those people in all of those cars, etc? Will they be stuck there when the winds hit?

2,729 posted on 09/22/2005 3:53:07 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)

Everyone has seen tail pipes dripping gasoline at one time or another.

That's condensation, not gasoline. If you have raw gas dripping from your exhaust pipe, get out of the car and run.

2,730 posted on 09/22/2005 3:53:28 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)

To: raygun; NautiNurse

New Vortex Data Message - eye fix at 5:11 pm CDT - Max flight-level winds 132 knots in the NW quad (replaces the old 133 knots/NW quad that a NOAA plane found just after 2) -

000
URNT12 KNHC 222219
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/22:11:00Z
B. 25 deg 58 min N
  089 deg 39 min W
C. 700 mb 2326 m
D. NA  kt
E. NA  deg     nm
F. 054 deg 124 kt
G. 312 deg 019 nm
H.         913 mb
I.   9 C/ 3065 m
J.  19 C/ 3049 m
K.  15 C/ NA
L. OPEN E
M. CO14/35
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.02 /  1 nm
P. AF306 WX18A RITA01       OB 11
MAX FL WIND 132 KT NE QUAD 21:24:10 Z

Other significant changes from the last run (eye fix at 4:20 pm CDT, 51 minutes prior) -

- Movement 5 minutes north, 8 minutes west
- Eyewall now open on the east (was open on the southeast)
- Concentric eyewalls now 14 and 35 nm wide (was 16 and 41 nm wide)

2,731 posted on 09/22/2005 3:53:43 PM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)

It's 51.948 on my desktop.

2,732 posted on 09/22/2005 3:53:55 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)

omg! That's terrible!

2,733 posted on 09/22/2005 3:54:36 PM PDT by NautiNurse (The task before us is enormous, but so is the heart of America.)

2,734 posted on 09/22/2005 3:54:45 PM PDT by Wthrman13

The anchor just said he paid $60 for 5 gallons of gas. He said the man who sold it knew he would get that for it.

2,735 posted on 09/22/2005 3:54:47 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)

To: NautiNurse; All

Can anyone tell me, based on the most recent projection for Rita, whether that will help or hurt Texas City? Or what is likely to happen there?

There is an animal sanctuary there (Whiskerville.org) and, for a variety of reasons, they did not evacuate in time. Now with the Houston gridlock, they aren't able to get transportation to/from Texas City. The last posting I saw was that Whiskerville.org says "It is now too late to move these 300 cats 7 dogs, we have looked and talked with many folks, including people who could possibly, send cargo aircraft to Houston, but the Airport roads are grid-locked."

2,736 posted on 09/22/2005 3:55:09 PM PDT by green pastures (God Bless and Protect Dr. Riopelle)

If it's like Austin, it is local panic. My local supermarket was out of bottled water by 4:30 p.m. yesterday.

2,737 posted on 09/22/2005 3:55:12 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Austin TX - and staying put.)

The only surfing going on down in Galveston are guys surfing on the wake of large cargo ships.

LOL ... You're right about that, texsean. Texas really is a whole nuther world. I miss it.

2,738 posted on 09/22/2005 3:55:18 PM PDT by ArmyBratsMom (Prayers for all my fellow Texans.)

LOL...My husband mentioned that we should think about looking for something more gas efficient than my 8 cyl 2001 Jeep Laredo daily driver. I mentioned to him that he might want to think about calling a lawyer...all in good fun...but ditto "Never I tell Ya!!"

2,739 posted on 09/22/2005 3:55:53 PM PDT by all4one (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore: "You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question." 9-20-05)

LOL!! Lou Dobbs just read a letter from a viewer that said he was too far left and needed to be "bitch slapped."

2,740 posted on 09/22/2005 3:57:00 PM PDT by RDTF

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