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154 Patients Died, Many in Intense Heat, as Rescues Lagged
NYTImes ^ | 9-19-2005 | DAVID ROHDE, DONALD G. MCNEIL Jr., REED ABELSON and SHAILA DEWAN

Posted on 09/19/2005 7:29:37 AM PDT by I8NY

If some of those who died in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina have been described as stubborn holdouts who ignored an order to evacuate, then these citizens of New Orleans defy that portrait: The 16 whose bodies were wrapped in white sheets in the chapel of Memorial Medical Center. The 34 whose corpses were abandoned and floating in St. Rita's Nursing Home. The 15 whose bodies were stored in an operating room turned makeshift morgue at Methodist Hospital.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: elderly; firstdaydisrupter; katrina; rescue; troll; zot; zotbait
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To: I8NY
One of the reasons that some of these people were not evacuated before the storm was that they were too frail. They were afraid they couldn't survive being evacuated. I remember reading a post during the evacuation and at least one elderly evacuee died.

I truly think that there is no real blame to be put here, on anyone, their lives were at real risk, no matter what was done.

61 posted on 09/19/2005 9:15:09 AM PDT by tiki
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To: CobaltBlue

So did NY before Rudi.


62 posted on 09/19/2005 9:17:45 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: I8NY

I just wanted to let you know that George Bush caused a 3 car wreck on freeway this morning and then he caused my car to overheat and me to have to spend $750 to have it fixed. Where was FEMA and why did George Bush only make this white guys car overheat?

Oh and he caused my football team to lose this weekend cause he forced the coaches to draft players that suck.


63 posted on 09/19/2005 9:20:57 AM PDT by jw777
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To: I8NY

" as rescues lagged" --- that's it - blame the rescuers !


If I were one of the VOLUNTEER recusers in N.O. area and all I read was leftist crap like this, I would leave and tell them go stick it!

I did that after one hurricane in the Houston Galveston area several years back--- I got tired of the abuse and and sneering by the locals as we worked for 14+ hours a day - 7 days a week trying to restore telephone services.

I took their crap for two months and finally had to tell my boss I was NOT going to be driving down there anymore.

It is the nanny/mammy/slave welfare state mentality.


64 posted on 09/19/2005 9:26:49 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.sigmaitsys.com)
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To: I8NY

The nursing home deaths had nothing to do with the speed of the relief. They were killed when the flooding hit. Try peddling this story over at DU.


65 posted on 09/19/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Ditto
I am just impressed that the death toll is as low as it is.

Me, too.

I just remembered that some of the dead were "euthanized" by doctors and nurses who did not want to leave them and did not want to stay. I wonder how many?

66 posted on 09/19/2005 9:31:37 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: PAR35
They were killed when the flooding hit.

That's one nursing home, St. Rita's. Most of the deaths described in the article were caused by lack of power to run medical equipment, or heat.

67 posted on 09/19/2005 9:35:24 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

I grew up on the NYT--and went on reading it for years, long after I became a conservative. I finally gave up sometime in 2002, when I realized they'd become such thorough partisan shills that I couldn't even read between the lines any more. Their coverage is exceptionally broad, their writing style is superior----and they lie, and lie, and lie.


68 posted on 09/19/2005 9:36:07 AM PDT by born in the Bronx
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To: I8NY

My farts bring tears to my eyes too, but you don't hear me going on about it
....Yes it was tragic that lives were losts, but ***Gasp**** Natural disasters happen... maybe if Mayor Nagin or Gov. Blanco had actually acted upon the evacuation plan some of this might not have happened. Maybe if Gov. Blanco had called in the Feds when she should have instead of admittedly waiting 24 hours before doing anything this might not have happened...

If you can tell me how the feds could of prevented these deaths with the state and local officals confused and block the feds access to the area... I would really like to know. Compasion is good, but so is a competent government at the local and state level...


69 posted on 09/19/2005 9:36:40 AM PDT by Americanwolf (U.S. Navy Veteran.....93-97 Clinton I want my trip to Australia! I had to go to China you pervert!)
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To: I8NY

Prayers for their families! This is outrageous and someone will pay for it.


70 posted on 09/19/2005 9:38:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: I8NY; All
Gee that's funny...our brand new poster, after empathizing with an article that somehow blames FEMA, whose job is basically to write checks, for the deaths of elderly in a New Orleans hospital...

seems to have disappeared!

IB4TZ?!?!?

71 posted on 09/19/2005 9:41:59 AM PDT by PianoMan (and now back to practicing)
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To: I8NY

"In St. Bernard Parish, just outside New Orleans, Salvatore and Mable Mangano, the operators of St. Rita's, made the fatal decision to wait out the storm. Local officials called the couple and offered to send two buses. The Manganos declined.

Last Tuesday, the state attorney general, Mr. Foti, indicted the couple on 34 counts of negligent homicide in the drowning deaths. So far, no other nursing home operators have been charged. "


72 posted on 09/19/2005 9:51:32 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: PianoMan

Isn't it though? Methinks he was trying to get a bunch of us to show no compasison for the dead.elderly whatever and say it served them right. Didn't bargain on our questiong the source. LOL


73 posted on 09/19/2005 9:56:14 AM PDT by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: CobaltBlue; varina davis
The article states that hospitals are not evacuated during hurricanes. The hospitals were not required to follow the evacuation order issued by Mayor Nagin on Sunday, Aug. 28. "Hospitals don't evacuate," said John A. Matessino, president of the Louisiana Hospital Association, a trade association. "Hospitals stay in place."

Why are Louisiana hospitals not required to evacuate at least their critical patients when the rest of the area evacuates? From the current Hurricane Rita live thread regarding Key West hospitals :

THIS is proper preparedness -- AP excerpt: The state was sending a National Guard cargo plane to evacuate 22 patients from Key West's hospital to Sebring, near Lake Okeechobee, Florida. Several critically ill patients already had been evacuated to hospitals in Miami.

Thank goodness for Jeb Bush.

653 posted on 09/19/2005 12:36:53 PM EDT by varina davis

74 posted on 09/19/2005 9:57:43 AM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: I8NY

Very sad. The mayor of NO is criminally negligent for not making sure these people were evacuated.


75 posted on 09/19/2005 9:59:48 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: I8NY

Let's put this in perspective; One hundred fifteen people die per day from various causes in the state of Louisiana.



Louisiana Mortality Statistics for 2002:

Deaths from all causes: 115 per day

Deaths from alzheimers: 3 per day
Deaths from diabetes: 3 per day
Deaths from cancer: 26 per day
Deaths from heart failure: 30 per day

35% Percent of Louisiana population lives (lived) in New Orleans Metro.

Therefore over the course of 10 days, we would expect the New Orleans metro-area to experience 405 deaths without any natural disasters occurring.


Many of those hospital and nursing home deaths would have occurred with or without Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin's neglect.

But the NY Slimes are too stupid to do basic math.

Link to Mortality Stats: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pdf/mortality/nvsr53_05t29.pdf


76 posted on 09/19/2005 10:02:02 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: CobaltBlue
The hospitals were not required to follow the evacuation order issued by Mayor Nagin on Sunday, Aug. 28.

Who says? If the mayor had done his job, any patient that could be moved would have been out of there.

Doctors and nurses are a different issue, as they are, indeed, front line responders. But then, a so-called delay in rescue efforts can't be blamed for their deaths, since they would have stayed anyway.

77 posted on 09/19/2005 10:03:39 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CobaltBlue
Most of the deaths described in the article were caused by lack of power to run medical equipment, or heat.

Or natural causes.

See post #76.

78 posted on 09/19/2005 10:05:32 AM PDT by TaxRelief (follow the money...)
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To: joylyn

How many elderly were evactuated from New Orleans successfully?


79 posted on 09/19/2005 10:11:49 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Dems_R_Losers

:Read the whole article. It is obvious that the hospitals and homes that had actually planned for disasters lost no or very few patients.

Exactly. My posting of this piece was intended to show the criminal neglect of the elderly in NO (and I suspect the same is the case in other places) rather than blaming FEMA or the president. A little perspective, people.


80 posted on 09/19/2005 10:15:50 AM PDT by I8NY
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