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Fox News Just Said Federal Judge says Pledge "Un-Constitutional"

Posted on 09/14/2005 11:02:25 AM PDT by nov7freedomday

Just heard on top of the hour on Fox News Radio


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; americanflag; antiamerican; antitheist; churchandstate; constitution; flag; government; judicialactivism; newdow; ninthcircuit; pledge; ruling; schools; unconstitutional; undergod
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To: JeffAtlanta
He is the probably the most liberal republican president ever.

Teddy Roosevelt?
341 posted on 09/14/2005 12:58:01 PM PDT by Borges
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To: TheForceOfOne
California is a freak show.

Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon... Yup, absolute freak show.
342 posted on 09/14/2005 12:59:07 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: conserv13
I have appeared before in Judge Karlton's court room. Just for reference, he is a former ACLU lawyer who was appointed by (you guessed it) Jimmy Carter. He is the same guy that ruled it discriminatory for the prisons to prevent HIV positive inmates from working in the prison kitchen.
343 posted on 09/14/2005 1:00:28 PM PDT by jedgarlives (Don't think it can't happen!!)
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To: Borges
Teddy Roosevelt?

Good point. That is going back a long time though. I was thinking the title of most liberal republican president would be between Nixon and Bush but Teddy is on up there too.

The only thing that shields Bush from conservative criticism is that he references "God" quite often.

344 posted on 09/14/2005 1:00:44 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: nov7freedomday

Incredible...time to take back the country!


345 posted on 09/14/2005 1:01:14 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: HHKrepublican
Welcome Aboard.......glad you spoke up.

My response to these atheists who don't like this in the Pledge........is just 'keep quiet' while the rest of us say.......'One Nation Under God'
347 posted on 09/14/2005 1:02:05 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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To: JeffAtlanta

And Teddy was really a Lincoln style interventionist Republican. When Mcinkley shifted the party's stance then he went in another direction and left the party later on. IIRC.


348 posted on 09/14/2005 1:02:22 PM PDT by Borges
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To: JulieRNR21

This ruling isn't preventing you from doing so btw.


349 posted on 09/14/2005 1:03:02 PM PDT by Borges
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To: kingu
Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon... Yup, absolute freak show.

I thought Ford was from Michigan. In any case, Ford and Nixon aren't the best examples of solid conservatives.

I agree however that California gets an bad rap from those that are social conservatives. California adds a lot to the country that most just don't understand or realize.

350 posted on 09/14/2005 1:03:17 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: jedgarlives
Geez. LOL. Maybe he's not qualified after all.

Why was it just this one judge and not a panel? IIRC the USSC sent this case back to the federal courts on a technicality?

351 posted on 09/14/2005 1:03:40 PM PDT by conserv13
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Two things Navy SEALS are always taught:
1. Keep your priorities in order
2. Know when to act without hesitation
A college professor, an avowed atheist and active in the ACLU, was
teaching his class. He shocked several of his students when he flatly
stated that for once and for all he was going to prove there was no God.
Addressing the ceiling he shouted:
"GOD, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform.
I'll give you exactly 15 minutes!!!!!"
The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes
went by " I'm waiting God - if you're real, knock me off this
platform!!!!"
Again after 5 minutes, the professor taunted God saying, "Here I am,
God!!!
I'm still waiting!!!"
His count down got down to the last couple of minutes when a SEAL, just
released from the Navy after serving in Afghanistan and Iraq and newly
registered in the class, walked up to the Professor. The SEAL hit him
full force in the face and sent the Professor tumbling from his lofty
platform.
The Professor was out cold!! The students were stunned and shocked. They
began to babble in confusion. The SEAL nonchalantly took his seat in the
front row and sat silent. The class looked at him and fell silent....
waiting. Eventually, the professor came to and was noticeably shaken. He
looked at the SEAL in the front row. When the professor regained his
senses and could speak he asked:
"What is the matter with you?! Why did you do that!?"
"God was really busy protecting America's soldiers who are busy
protecting your right to say stupid things and act like a jerk!!! So he
asked me to fill in for him!!"


352 posted on 09/14/2005 1:04:56 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: KC Burke

You're not really defending that action are you?


353 posted on 09/14/2005 1:06:07 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
This ruling isn't preventing you from doing so btw.

BTW I do say 'One Nation Under God'......but instead of trying to stop the majority from saying that....I think the Judge should have told the objectors to just keep quiet.

354 posted on 09/14/2005 1:06:54 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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To: KC Burke

You sure this isn't an urban legend? It sounds an awful lot like the story about a professor who claimed that if there was a God then he could stop a egg from breaking when it hit the floor. The professor dropped the egg and it landed in his pants cuff and didn't break. (Urban legend of course)


356 posted on 09/14/2005 1:07:20 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta; P-Marlowe

Actually, Jeff, my logic is that anyone who takes the time to write out "In the year of our Lord" is acknowledging a worldview.

AD does not accomplish the same thing, although it is testimony of a culture buying into a particular dating schema.....for Jews I think we're at about the year 5000+ or so.

However, if a Roman were writing a letter in Latin and took trouble to date it, "anno domini....." what era would you guess him to have lived?


357 posted on 09/14/2005 1:07:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: nov7freedomday

Seems all the judges on the 9th regularly drink a 5th.


358 posted on 09/14/2005 1:07:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JulieRNR21

The majority isn't prevented from saying it. The goverment is prohibited from asking anyone to say it.


359 posted on 09/14/2005 1:08:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: moehoward

I remember something about "being forced," but I'm not sure if that was Newdow's last Appeals Court ruling or if it was simply some of the discussion that arose the last time this was discussed.

Good memory, though, on your part. Thanks.


360 posted on 09/14/2005 1:09:14 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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