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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

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Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevo; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; thisisgettingold
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To: Elsie
AMEN!

Quit shouting. You'll scare the fish! :>)

1,261 posted on 09/16/2005 6:45:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"Go and do thou likewise..."


1,262 posted on 09/16/2005 6:45:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

"Well....

If you've REALLY enraged the ex; it may be!!!"


There are material methods of protection against an enraged ex.


1,263 posted on 09/16/2005 6:50:21 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: PatrickHenry

1200?


Nope; but getting closer!



Hint: Lead the target......


1,264 posted on 09/16/2005 6:52:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor; VadeRetro; js1138
I think it's time for me to ... abandon thread!
1,265 posted on 09/16/2005 6:53:42 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: b_sharp

Migrating hares...

Aren't they related to lemmings?



Yeah, hair moves: from top of head to coming out of ears!


1,266 posted on 09/16/2005 6:53:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

TaDa!!!


1,267 posted on 09/16/2005 6:56:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro

Good point!


Only when you are LYING about it, you may not know it!!!


1,268 posted on 09/16/2005 6:57:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro

I was trying to think of that, but I didn't know it all.....


1,269 posted on 09/16/2005 6:58:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor

The smear continues....


1,270 posted on 09/16/2005 7:02:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: xzins
You forget yourself. You don't believe in hell. :>)

I'm the one who doesn't know about that stuff and marvels that anyone is so conceited as to think he does.

1,271 posted on 09/16/2005 7:03:51 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Elsie

(Not to be confused with "Mr. Know-It-All")


1,272 posted on 09/16/2005 7:05:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Time for breakfast............


1,273 posted on 09/16/2005 7:06:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro
Yes, I figured it was necessary to point out your mistake when you wrote I will not become a creationist unless that is my punishment in Hell.

Good agnostics wouldn't know of any hell.

Good thing I came along and caught that. :>)

1,274 posted on 09/16/2005 7:08:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
I am aware of the prevalence of a certain belief on the subject, was even raised to believe such. Agnosticism is not ignorance. Thus, the perceptive reader is invited to understand "If your version of events is correct..." in such references. The creationists bludgeoning with willful ignorance will be dragged along kicking and screaming as usual.
1,275 posted on 09/16/2005 7:14:08 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

I have a question for you. We are told that 'man' was created in the "OUR" and the Heavenly Father's image. Now when Adam was created in that image, the woman had not been formed.

What biologically speaking, are we told then that Adam was, prior to being placed into a deep sleep and something was removed to form woman? Wouldn't the Heavenly Father be comprised of both the male and female nature and why the "marriage" of the male and female would make them one?


1,276 posted on 09/16/2005 7:16:47 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
I'm not sure. Do you believe in monophyly of bats or diphyly?
1,277 posted on 09/16/2005 7:18:49 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

I see bats...


1,278 posted on 09/16/2005 7:21:47 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: VadeRetro
However, there are those hybrids who lean one way or another.

We have agnostic/atheists, self-described as such. And we have agnostic/theists, self-described as such.

I assume the A2's are saying, "There's no God, but on my weak days I wonder."

1,279 posted on 09/16/2005 7:23:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Elsie; Dr. Eckleburg; bluepistolero
Not a smear. Eckleburg told us that Christian Reconstructionists do not believe in the application of the death penalty for crimes other than homicides. Then it turns out the publicity director of the leading CR foundation admits their theology allows the stoning to death of incorrigible children, but says they haven't written a word about that in years (he appears to be puzzled that such a thing would stick in people's minds). Eckleburg has claimed we are taking quotes out of context. But I posted an entire article about Chalcedon Institute from a public source, in which this admission was made.

All I've seen from her has been attempts to deny that CR preaches any of the stuff it demonstrably does preach. She has, in other words, spent her time here defending the movement. And you and bluepistolero have in turn defended her. Even prior to that, I'd inferred she was in fact a Reconstructionist. And, rather than a straightforward 'no I'm not', she said asked me if I wanted to stone her for it. No I don't. That's their schtick. But I do want to expose them.

It's a free country, at least until the CRs take over. I don't press people for public denials they don't want to make. Dissociate yourself from these people, or not, I don't care. But don't claim victim status because people draw attention to your own words. Take responsibility for them.

1,280 posted on 09/16/2005 7:25:49 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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