Cease Fire on Animals Streets of New Orleans (Please Sign Petition)

Petition Site ^ | 9/10/05

[BagCamAddict]

Please sign the online petition to stop the killing of pets in New Orleans. Conflicting reports abound, regarding whether orders have been given to shoot abandoned pets. But just in case it is or becomes true, please sign the online petitions below to STOP the killing:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/366281507?ltl=1126417990

And the following petition adds the words "and their pets" to the order to evacuate people from New Orleans. Please sign it also:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/840979272?ltl=1126071044

[Salamander]

In other words, you have nothing relevent or rational left to say, having been informed of the knowledge of my experience regarding packs/dominance/social interaction of dogs.


Sorry if I "ruined" your the fun of your pseudo-lofty pontification....:)

I guess I'll just call it a default and be done with it.

[Sally'sConcerns]

Quite simply, you ceased to do anything other than bore me since you had nothing new to add to my knowledge of dogs and their formation of packs. Simply put, I like a challenge and you either were incapable of providing one or had none to offer.

Call it what you like and if it gives you pleasure to think you ruined my fun, I have a little clue for you. I find nothing fun about the discussing of euthanizing dogs or cats or most any animal for that matter.

If you do ever have anything relevant to add to the discussion, please feel free to ping me.

[Tom Thumbs]

How you treat an animal reveals your soul, IMO.

This has been an "elightening" experience on FR.

Never did I expect to find "opinions" such as *these* here.

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I have learned to judge people by how they behave toward pets. Cats in particular seem to bear the brunt of the brutality.

I must say, though, that if one of these Keyboard Kommandos was ever to try abusing one of our cats, our DOG would likely end me up in court. :)

It's discouraging to think someone to be civilized, mature, rational... and then discover a base meanness that would, in someone going through puberty, result in some long term heavy duty "counseling".

I don't know if it's some twisted concept of manhood ("Real men don't like cats -- FAGS like cats!"), or a culture that systematically pounds the humanity out of people as they're getting older (I hesitate to say "growing up", because I don't see that happening very much these days), but the end result is the same, and it's something that will have repercussions no one would rationally want to see.

I'm not going to "invoke Godwin", but I'll simply say that for anyone who wants to do some research into how various failed societies have treated pets -- and used brutality toward pets as a way to desensitize and dehumanize children, so as to make them more perfectly mouldable by the state... it might be a good idea to do that research. :)

PS: Regarding the near-ubiquitous "FAGS like cats!", well, so did Robert Heinlein. And Ernest Hemingway. And plenty of other guys who didn't exactly fit that stereotype. (Me, when I hear "Fags like cats", I think to myself, "well, there's ONE thing they got right!)

And as to the damnable MEANESS revealed in the ability to abuse a small helpless animal that's disposed to think of humans as FRIENDS, well... sick. Sick, and sad.

When I was a kid, way back in the 1950s, there was a kid that I was told would go around (among other things) strangling cats. I have no idea where he's at now, if he's still alive. I'm not that concerned, though, because I really doubt that he's still alive. Total whack-job.

This all begs the issue of the "real men" who post HERE, with stuff ranging from UNfunny "cat jokes", all the way up to and including unvarnished hatred for the creatures.

I've even seen people casually mention stuff like shooting cats that annoyed them. (Granted it was a few years ago, and I've thankfully forgotten who it was.)

It's people that that who are the reason that I tend to AVOID reading the "pet threads". Life is rough enough already, without having supposedly top-shelf responsible adults acting like pre-teen psychos.

Curiously, I DON'T seem to see the inverse; I don't seem to see people tracking others into "THEIR" topic threads to taunt, insult, attack, ridicule, etc. Live and let live seems to be a one-way street when domestic pets are concerned. A certain class of individual seems incapable of sufficient self-restraint to keep them from diving into the pet threads and pissing on the walls.

Like I said, who are the REAL animals?

Hey, guys -- if you REALLY can't help it, you might want to see your local vet. There's a.. ahem... "minor out-patient surgical procedure" that will help you get over that "spraying" problem.

I'm tired, I'm rambling, and I'm waiting for the painkillers. (Too much of life in half a miserable century, the bills come due. Too many car wrecks, ladder-falls, motorcycle spills... you know, the kind of stuff "real men" avoid, so that they'll protect their dog-kickin' swing.)

Nite, all.

[NormB]

Take out Snowball!!!!

[who knows what evil?]

My priorities are in order, thank you.

Makes you wonder about G-d's priorities, as well. He had Noah bring the animals into the shelter of the ark, while the rest of the humans...well, they didn't fare as well. :-) It is apparent that G-d loves animals just as much as many of us on this thread. Probably even more so.

[elbucko]

that was disgusting

It was meant to be. Argument with these people is futile.

[Salamander]

"Argument with these people is futile."

Agreed.

Some [but not all] of those who took the opposing stance appear to be determined to see the pets [particularly the dogs, for some reason] expediently & efficiently butchered rather than allow -other people- to help them as much as possible.

I'm still awaiting an answer to the question posed by another poster;

What compels people who have no personal interest in a given topic [or cause or passion] to come and harass those who do?

[Salamander]

Interestingly enough, I've only experienced 2 "wars" on FR.

The current 'issue' are the threads in which I champion giving the animals every chance possible.

The previous 'issue' were all the threads in which I championed giving Terri Schiavo every chance possible.

Same song, different verse.

Regardless of the all semantic tap-dancing and moral equivalency offered by some as "logic", I can do no less than to always err on the side of life and hope.

One day I'll have to answer to God and I'd rather show up with the "sin" of arguing *for* life on my conscience than arguing against.

[elbucko]

I'm still awaiting an answer to the question posed by another poster;

What compels people who have no personal interest in a given topic [or cause or passion] to come and harass those who do?

That's just it, it is a "compulsion" that these people have. I reckon there are many reasons from Freudian to simple, "drive-by" commenting. Some read more into the original post and posts than is really there. I have yet to have been on an animal thread where the beginning article, or the following replies did not, in any way, advocate the saving animals before humans, but there is invariably the poster who must make the universal declaration of; "get your priorities straight!".

It's for some, a misunderstanding and human nature. For others, it's a pathology. I'd hate to be the latter's kids and those kids animals.

[Salamander]

"drive-by" commenting"

Thank you for a much-needed laugh in the midst of all this misery, angst and contempt....:))

I previously asked whether comprehensive reading is still taught in schools but am now retracting that question as irrelevant.

I think it's less a *lack* of comprehension than a *refusal* to comprehend.

[I never saw any "damn the people! save the critters first!" posts either but apparently some have "seen" them]...LOL!

Some people see what they believe rather than vice versa.

[BagCamAddict]

I agree with you that people will be people, and understand your concern about how do you get them to pick up after their dogs, but it would work like this:

1. There are scoops and lined garbage cans provided at each of the "dog walking" stations. Additionally, plastic baggies can/should be provided. So there is no excuse of "I didn't have a scooper/baggie with me."

2. Peer pressure. There is usually more than one person walking their dog at the same time, so no one can sneak away and not do it. If they do, responsible owners these days usually say something like "You forgot to scoop."

3. The emergency shelters, unlike dog shows, will probably be staffed with some Red Cross or other volunteer workers. They can monitor to be sure everyone follows the rules. They shouldn't do it FOR the people, but they can be stationed near the exercising pens and "remind" people they have to clean up.

4. Of course signs should be posted, for anyone who doesn't have a clue about proper doggy ettiquette.

5. At the shelters, there will be people of all kinds, and because people get bored and most people feel better when they have something productive to do, they could take turns monitoring and/or cleaning the potty stations. The stations will, at some point, need to have the sawdust/wood chips changed out, so that is something people can pitch in and do together as they wait out the disaster.

6. Kids. Kids at the shelters can help, and if they participate in Scout or 4-H or FFA programs, they could earn badges for their help.

As for implementing it, I hope to write up a suggested plan of action and submit it to my own state government for our disaster plans. As I said before, the necessary supplies are a relatively minor expense compared to the alternative (of rescuing people/pets). Surely there are already warehouses where emergency preparedness supplies are stored, so adding pet crates, chain-link fencing, plastic tarps, and bags of sawdust/wood chips would not be too difficult. Where there's a will, there's a way. The tough part will be getting the government to find the will.

[Salamander]

All they really need is a plastic lined pit filled with quick lime.
Toss in the dog doo and it's decomposed rapidly.
Fast and sanitary...:)

[BagCamAddict]

For the disposal, yes. I was describing the actual place within a building/shelter that the dogs would potty. It takes a pretty desperate dog to just squat and do his/her business on a concrete floor inside a building with a zillion people milling around. They have been taught not to go inside, so they have to be nearly exploding before they'll go... and in my experience, some dogs who hold it that long end up with diarrhea due to the stress of holding it. Diarrhea on concrete in a shelter... not a pretty sight. So I was describing the potty pens they use at dog shows, which work as well as they can, under the circumstances.

[BagCamAddict]

You should read today's entry for the Oregon Humane Society. They saved a whole "pack" of Rottweilers from one house. 3 of the 4 Rotties wiggled and wagged the whole time, despite having no food or water this whole time. I'll let you read about the 4th Rottie yourself.

[BagCamAddict]

Here's the link:

http://www.oregonhumane.org/diary/index.htm#day9

[janetgreen]

Abandon her? They'd have to kill me first.

DITTO!

[American_Centurion]

Your biblical "knowledge" is stunning!

Noah brought aboard 2 of each kind of animal, one male, one female.

But he drowned EVERY OTHER ONE ON THE PLANET!!!

Way to make your point apparent......the one on top of your head.

[BagCamAddict]

:-((

This blog from one shelter mentions a Search & Rescue dog that died from chemical burns from the water in Mississippi. When I called the Governor's hotline Saturday night, he had mentioned that they had lost a couple of search dogs due to the chemicals in the water, but I wasn't sure whether to believe him or not. Dying that quickly leads me to believe they must have been searching very near some of the chemical plants in the area, because the chemical concentrations in that water shouldn't be so extremely toxic (due to dilution) unless it's very near the source where it hasn't yet been diluted.

Very sad. SAR dogs are a very valuable resource. Not to mention the grief for their owners/handlers.

http://www.reflector.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/communities/katrina_animals/index.html

[BagCamAddict]

Geez. I think the point was that Noah wasn't asked to build an ark and fill it with as many humans as it could hold. He was asked to fill it with animals. If God believed in the "ALL humans before ANY animals" theory that some on this thread are promoting, he clearly wouldn't have directed Noah to fill the ark with animals while humans perished.

[Salamander]

We'll see and hear more such tragic, selfless stories before it's all over.

Do they mention the breeds of the SAR dogs who died?

It might be wiser to use water dog breeds if possible, due their insulating and somewhat "water proof" undercoats for such areas.

I certainly wouldn't use a breed with short, single-coated hair and delicate skin.

I hope the mayor and governor are both sleeping well at night.

The blood of many stains their hands