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Bin Laden hunters a step behind
The Australian ^ | September 09, 2005 | Rana Jawad and Danny Kemp

Posted on 09/09/2005 4:25:30 PM PDT by gandalftb

It had been more than two years since Pakistani intelligence last picked up the trail of the world's most wanted man, one of its top officers said in a hasty meeting at a secret rendezvous point.

"At one stage in early 2003 we thought we were quite close to him," murmurs the official.

"But a few hours before the operation could start in the border terrain near Afghanistan, he moved out."

Since then, nothing. "We have been saying previously and we still maintain that we are not into manhunt," said Major General Shaukat Sultan.

"If your sole objective was capture of OBL, yes we remain where we were but ... in Pakistan that is not our sole objective."

One key al-Qaeda suspect revealed under interrogation that bin Laden was using couriers travelling on foot or horseback instead of communicating by satellite telephone or the Internet, General Sultan said.

"It generally takes them about two months to get the message across and get its response," he said. "This is the time involved in that, so one can make rough guess about where would the man be."

CIA director Porter Goss said he had an "excellent idea" of where bin Laden was hiding - though he did not say where.

Elite US Delta Force and Navy SEAL units have just started to come back to Afghanistan after tours of duty in Iraq and are spearheading the hunt.

"Several special forces teams are stationed right at the border and use special sensors along the roads to pick up sound and vibration from the movement of cars," an official said.

"Some cross-border reconnaissance raids by intelligence agents are taking place from Afghanistan into South and North Waziristan, and all the way up to Bajaur and the Northern Areas," the official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: binladen; elvisbinladen; gwot; manhunt; obl
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We will find bin Laden when we know where he is not. Good to hear that special ops are finally allowed into Pakistan. My guess Baluchistan, then Nuristan, then muslim Kashmir. Not likely in Waziristan, no water access, full of quarreling, gossipy shia Pashtuns, not remote enough and too far from Iran.

Balochis are sunni arabs and have 900 miles of remote coastline. Balochistan mountain valleys run N-S, mostly dead-ending on the Afghani border very hard for cross-border ops, and at higher elevations are forested for good cover. Couriers taking 2 months, very likely especially in the western areas near Iran.

Clearly, the Pakis are dragging their feet, milking us for weapons and money. OBL is their biggest "tourist" attraction and they don't want to lose him.

Goss' complaints of sovereignty issues refers to the degree of autonomy in Baluchistan which is now planned to increase to a federalized province.

Either all of this or he's driving a cab in Seattle.

1 posted on 09/09/2005 4:25:31 PM PDT by gandalftb
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Security sources say the pair are reported to wear explosive belts and their huge retinue of Arab bodyguards have orders to kill them if it is impossible to escape. He's hiding in the basement of tie Pakistani Intelligence.
2 posted on 09/09/2005 4:30:56 PM PDT by konaice
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Security sources say the pair are reported to wear explosive belts and their huge retinue of Arab bodyguards have orders to kill them if it is impossible to escape.

That will do nicely, thank you.

He's hiding in the basement of tie Pakistani Intelligence.

3 posted on 09/09/2005 4:31:30 PM PDT by konaice
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To: gandalftb

LOL... We have GOOGLE EARTH where I can track my old lady on her way home from work but we can't find Bin Laden???


4 posted on 09/09/2005 4:31:54 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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I would think the Hunt for Bin Laden would need at least these resources.

10 Predator Aircraft

Satellite Survellence

Electronic Survellence

Some on the ground natives looking around

100 Man Special Operations Ground Force with regular backup of 2000 regular Grunts, and Helicopter Air Support.

Seems like these resources would produce a find at some point.

5 posted on 09/09/2005 4:33:51 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: konaice
He's hiding in the basement of tie Pakistani Intelligence.

No he's not. A couple of years ago, he shaved his beard, put on a white shirt and tie, rolled up his sleeves, then yelled, "yeeeeeeeeearrrrrrrrrrgh!" at his Presidential Campaign rally.

6 posted on 09/09/2005 4:37:57 PM PDT by kromike
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To: kromike

He's dead people. Figure it out.


7 posted on 09/09/2005 4:44:43 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Pitchforks and Lanterns..with a smiley face!)
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To: gandalftb
Pakistan needs him as a bargaining chip and they know it.
He'll be like Elvis indefinitely unless the political situation there changes.
8 posted on 09/09/2005 4:47:35 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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He is near Chitral in Northern Pakistan....IMHO.


9 posted on 09/09/2005 4:49:15 PM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Capt. Michael Speicher)
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To: samadams2000

he's not dead. who was that in the video tape released just before the 2004 election?


10 posted on 09/09/2005 4:49:39 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: ASA Vet

Where are my manners ...I forgot to ping you.


11 posted on 09/09/2005 4:50:54 PM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Capt. Michael Speicher)
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To: oceanview

We will get him.


12 posted on 09/09/2005 4:53:09 PM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Capt. Michael Speicher)
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To: gandalftb

Here's what we need to do. Go to Kentucky and central/western Virginia and everywhere else there's a big frenzy on opening day of deer season. Organize a few dozen adventurous good ol' boys, fly 'em with their rifles to Afghanistan, tell 'em the reward is a case of Coors, and set 'em loose.

We'll have bin Laden bagged by Monday.


13 posted on 09/09/2005 4:54:08 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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He's dead people. Figure it out.

That's my opinion. Osama Bin Tora Bora Toast courtesy of the U.S. Military and Mr. Daisy Cutter, circa 2001 ...

14 posted on 09/09/2005 4:55:33 PM PDT by Babu
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To: Dog

I agree with you.


15 posted on 09/09/2005 5:00:12 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

And man will I celebrate the day we do..


16 posted on 09/09/2005 5:03:06 PM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Capt. Michael Speicher)
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To: gandalftb

I may be wrong, but I was pretty sure that al-Qaeda was never a big "operations organization" in and of itself. It supplied financing and logistics to a myriad of islamist groups. That is why you hear "groups with links to al-Qaeda". If the leadership is bottled up, and the flow of its money stopped, its effectiveness is nill. It seems lately, that the media has transformed al-Qaeda into a Hamas type organization, that is, an organization with foot soldiers. I believe OBL is bottled up and that we are fighting the individual islamist organizations (also a bunch of Baathist).


17 posted on 09/09/2005 5:08:26 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: Babu

Even if he's alive, the way the search is going, he'll die from old age!


18 posted on 09/09/2005 5:11:46 PM PDT by bygolly
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To: TheHound

agreed


19 posted on 09/09/2005 5:20:23 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: oceanview

The specops guys will get him or he'll end up dead in a rathole hiding from them. Either way is OK by me.


20 posted on 09/09/2005 5:24:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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