Microsoft plans to outsource more, says ex-worker [Moving 1,000+ jobs to China]

Seattle Times (Excerpt) ^ | September 3, 2005 | Brier Dudley

[HAL9000]

Excerpt -

Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an employee who jumped ship in July.

In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday, legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised to Chinese technology vendors.

Chief Executive Steve Ballmer visited China in 2003 and promised to step up the pace, from $33 million worth of work a year to $55 million a year, according to a statement by Kai-Fu Lee, a former vice president who left to work for Google in July. Lee was charged with smoothing over relations with China and finding jobs that could be shifted to Chinese contract workers.

"At the time of my departure, MS was on track to outsource over 1,000 jobs a year to China," he said in a court declaration. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has transferred some projects to China "in order to free up teams here for other work."

[Golden Eagle]

Completely wrong. I created a whole thread to call out Gates earlier this year when he made pro-China comments, which were in stark contrast to his previous anti-communist statements.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345585/posts

Get your facts straight before you try to get personal.

[HAL9000]

Get your facts straight before you try to get personal.

I'll start believing you when you start putting your money where your mouth is.

[Golden Eagle]

Every US corp is trying to do business in China, including Apple. The ones I have a severe problem with are the ones that literally GIVE their products away to the Chicoms for free. Once the problem of these givaways are resolved, we can work to stop all tech transfers to China, which should be our ultimate goal, so long as they are a totalitarian government. But you aren't making any progress on that until you at least take the baby step of cutting off the transfers that are happening for free, there's literally nothing in that for us, at all.

[HAL9000]

Every US corp is trying to do business in China, including Apple.

But Microsoft goes far beyond doing business with them. Bill Gates gives lavish praise and active support to the ChiCom dictatorship - and you give nothing but lip service about it.

[Golden Eagle]

I already told you, if he starts giving the Chicoms software literally for free and selling them major parts of his hardware business for pennies on the dollar, like IBM has done and continues to do, I'll treat them with equal disdain. And I do find his latest comments disgusting, but he has been on record criticising communism before, and president Steve Ballmer has been extremely outspoken against communism. Apple hired Al Gore to be on their BOD after he lost the election, so it's not like they're a bastion of concervatism themselves. I see both Apple and Microsoft as fairly middle of the road, while IBM and open source is 90% leftist/communist.

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/110197us-china.html

[Ciexyz]

My sumpathies to the good American workers whose jobs are being exported to China, India and beyond.

[Ciexyz]

Kiss those jobs goodbye.

[Bush2000]

What else could we expect? IBM cozied up to the damned Nazis during WWII, for chrissakes...

[adam_az]

"I already told you, if he starts giving the Chicoms software literally for free and selling them major parts of his hardware business for pennies on the dollar, like IBM has done and continues to do, I'll treat them with equal disdain."

I guess you love BillG and his many donations to leftist causes like gun control and "overpopulation"

Just like he gives campaign contribs to dems... When you support Microsoft, you support communism.... I mean the chicoms... I mean the gun grabbers... I mean the DNC... same thing.

GATES, WILLIAM H SR
SEATTLE,WA 98105

RETIRED	3/30/2005	$2,100	Cantwell, Maria
GATES, WILLIAM III REDMOND,WA 98052	MICROSOFT	6/22/2005	$2,100	Cantwell, Maria
GATES, WILLIAM III REDMOND,WA 98052	MICROSOFT	6/22/2005	$2,100	Cantwell, Maria
GATES, WILLIAM H SR SEATTLE,WA 98105	RETIRED	3/30/2005	$1,900	Cantwell, Maria
GATES, WILLIAM H III REDMOND,WA 98052	MICROSOFT	3/31/2005	$1,000	Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte

[adam_az]

GATES, WILLIAM
SEATTLE,WA 98105

GATES FOUNDATION

2/13/2002

$1,000

Murray, Patty

GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

GATES FOUNDATION/CEO

2/26/2002

$1,000

McDermott, Jim GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

GATES FOUNDATION/CEO

3/20/2002

$500

McDermott, Jim GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

PRESTON GATES & ELLIS

2/9/2001

$500

McDermott, Jim GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

GATES FOUNDATION/CEO

3/20/2002

($500)

McDermott, Jim GATES, WILLIAM H SEATTLE,WA 98105

GATES FOUNDATION

7/22/2002

$1,000

Wellstone, Paul GATES, WILLIAM H SEATTLE,WA 98105

MICROSOFT

7/17/2002

$1,000

Carnahan, Jean GATES, WILLIAM H SEATTLE,WA 98105

MICROSOFT

9/19/2002

$1,000

Harkin, Tom

GATES, WILLIAM H III REDMOND,WA 98502

MICROSOFT

8/8/2002

$1,000

Daschle, Tom GATES, WILLIAM SR SEATTLE,WA 98105

RETIRED

4/16/2001

$1,000

Cantwell, Maria

GATES, WILLIAM SR SEATTLE,WA 98105

RETIRED

11/6/2001

$500

Cantwell, Maria GATES, WILLIAM REDMOND,WA 98052

MICROSOFT CORPORATION

8/11/1998

$2,000

New Democrat Network

GATES, WILLIAM REDMOND,WA 98052

MICROSOFT

11/20/1997

$1,000

Leahy, Patrick J GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

RETIRED

3/22/2000

$1,000

McDermott, Jim

GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98106

ATTORNEY

10/8/1998

$1,000

Cammermeyer, Margarethe

GATES, WILLIAM SEATTLE,WA 98105

PRESTON GATES & ELLIS

4/25/2000

$750

McDermott, Jim

[rightwingintelligentsia]

Do I hear Ross Perot's giant sucking sound?

[clyde asbury]

IT sucks bump.

[Golden Eagle]

Looks like more from Micrsoft typically goes to Republicans:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=C5120&cycle=2006

Also Gates himself personally contributed to several Republican Party offices, as well as the re-election of Bush:

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=gates%2C+william&txtState=WA&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&Order=N

Ergo, you lose, again.

[adam_az]

"Ergo, you lose, again."

I lose, AGAIN?

Sorry bud, I never did before, Mr. Not Know the Difference between SMTP and POP, and MR. Can't Read Code.

If BilGe is such a rock-ribbed Republican, why did he give so much money to Dems like Patty "Osama Mama" Murray?

He's an oppostunist... Just like the reason why he's buddies with the Chinese - his heros for their fantastic form of Capitalism. Sheesh, I don't think you could find Stallman quotes that praise the ChiComs that way!

He has a major thing for commies, and he's a big time gun grabber supporter.

Meanwhile, Eric Scott Raymond the Linux dude is a major supporter of 2nd Amendment rights.

Suck it up!

[adam_az]

"What else could we expect? IBM cozied up to the damned Nazis during WWII, for chrissakes..."

That's a load of poop - the Nazis nationalized the German arm of IBM.

Businessweek took a look at the book and called it "illogical, overstated, padded, and sloppy"

http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/01_12/b3724036.htm

Put down the tinfoil.

[Golden Eagle]

You selectively posted info that tried to paint Gates as a complete Democrat. I however provided the full link, that backed up my claim above that he is middle of the road.

I can read many types of code just fine, and have personally managed e-mail servers that supported thousands of users. I also know that you fashion yourself as a "security consultant", when your skillset is simply that of a hacker, and that you have no issue with those that post exploit code on the internet prior to patches being available. Those are the facts, and your lame attempts at diverting from them by insulting me simply aren't working. Neither are your attempts to cover up the ties between open source and the DNC by blaming those that have contributed to the RNC and the current Republican president.

[Bush2000]

Hayes's article has been addressed by Black here. IBM used Nazi occupation of Europe to further their reach: "In that same vein, Watson opened subsidiaries throughout Europe in cadence with the Nazi takeover, such as in occupied Poland in 1939."

[Golden Eagle]

Business Week has long been an IBM suck up, just as we've seen them pimp all these recent articles praising the sale of the IBM PC company to the Chicom government, using terms like "building bridges" and "hands across the water".

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_19/b3932116_mz063.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2004/tc2004128_5989_tc121.htm?campaign_id=rss_techn

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_34/b3948453.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_19/b3932113_mz063.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2005/tc2005055_0366_tc121.htm

[adam_az]

"Business Week has long been an IBM suck up, just as we've seen them pimp all these recent articles praising the sale of the IBM PC company to the Chicom government, using terms like "building bridges" and "hands across the water"."

IBM does biz in china - bad

Microsoft does... good.

I UNDERSTAND.

[adam_az]

"Hayes's article has been addressed by Black here. IBM used Nazi occupation of Europe to further their reach: "In that same vein, Watson opened subsidiaries throughout Europe in cadence with the Nazi takeover, such as in occupied Poland in 1939."


It's totally overblown, but whatever. That was the 40s, and the Nazis didnt do anything they couldnt already do.

On the other hand, Microsoft is parterning with the chicoms NOW and Gates is praising them NOW.