Actaully, it's a Two-Headed Goat:
Posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.
''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''
When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''
(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...
Did you check out page D-3 in the Appendix. Perhaps some fellow freeper can get it up and posted. I knew it had to be somewhere.
Scanning the plan also indicates a significant portion of the plan simply refers to the Federal level response. Very little is in this plan at the local level. The plan itself places much and depends much on the Fed.
Actaully, it's a Two-Headed Goat:
In a way, what happened in New Orleans taught us a lesson.
Because our entire disaster plan for the US has been based on a false premise.
Let me bolster my argument and let me state that the lucky readers of this post will be the first to know.
The false premise?
The notion that local authorities would be the first responders and would direct relief efforts ASSISTED by the federal government.
All this time, all that money spent to train local authorities, all the money given to local police departments. All since 9-11 because the premise was, hey they're the local guys. They know the region, they know the population, they know the geography.
Wrong.
And we're damn lucky because the Feds realized the deadly truth sometime around last Monday. They surely had glimpses of the problem even before the hurricane officials hit land.
Wrong.
We cannot count on the local authorities and with the perfect vision of hindsight, it all makes sense.
Beginning with the fact that in the event of a natural disaster, many of the local authorities will themselves be affected!
Duh.
Of course there's what will call the New Orleans syndrome.
Which is basically that it cannot be assumed that the local authorities can handle the situation.
It will soon be known widely enough that the local people in LA fell down on the job. The cops quit, both NO cops and the LA state cops.
Besides corrupt and inept local authorities, how could we have expected men and women with family crushed by a tragedy to be at their best, assuming they bother to show up?
Yup. It's really going to take some re-thinking, folks. There will have to be a procedure and a plan. The constitution and its protection will have to be considered.
What happened in NO, FEMA got its trucks in there and awaited coordination from the locals.
None came.
How are weekend warriors supposed to know their way around NO streets? Then they were getting shot at, something the locals were again supposed to take care of.
We're lucky that the feds managed to get their act turned around quickly enough. That's an amazing feat, frankly.
If you listened to Chertoff during his many press conferences, but especially the one today, he as much as said the premise was false.
It's going to take some thinking outside the box. From people who frankly should have been thinking outside the box waaaaay before this.
I'll go one step further. Us American citizens all dropped the ball. Before NO and the nightmare, I'd have backed the "local authority" premise to my deathbed.
No more.
Disasters like this are going to have to be handled by the Feds. Period. They are going to re-vamp their entire operational vision.
If the army was really smart, they'd pinpoint problem areas, such as NO when everyone knew about the problem of the levees. Then the military can put into effect, BEFORE it happens, a plan of operation. They can research the locale, population, etc, and come up with a plan.
Depending on the local authorities did not work. We should be thanking the corrupt NO police for teaching us this lesson.
Then our elected congress critters are going to have to put into effect a stipulated but quick plan to enact the takeover by the feds while protecting our rights as citizens and the danger of giving our military carte blanche to take over our lives and under what circumstances.
Call them in for a vote, I say. Give this takeover by the feds a time line, able to be extended or cut short.
We cannot assume the local people have done their job in preparation, will do the job as prepared in the event of a disaster, spent their federal funds wisely as earmarked for training in local disasters.
New Orleans taught us that.
We are just so lucky the feds were able to turn it around. It was simply not meant to happen the way it did. Sure there's an underbelly social problem in NO. Let the sociologists debate it.
When it comes to saving lives and reacting in a disaster, time to turn it over to one central experienced entity such as the military.
In a way, what happened in New Orleans taught us a lesson.
Because our entire disaster plan for the US has been based on a false premise.
Let me bolster my argument and let me state that the lucky readers of this post will be the first to know.
The false premise?
The notion that local authorities would be the first responders and would direct relief efforts ASSISTED by the federal government.
All this time, all that money spent to train local authorities, all the money given to local police departments. All since 9-11 because the premise was, hey they're the local guys. They know the region, they know the population, they know the geography.
Wrong.
And we're damn lucky because the Feds realized the deadly truth sometime around last Monday. They surely had glimpses of the problem even before the hurricane officials hit land.
Wrong.
We cannot count on the local authorities and with the perfect vision of hindsight, it all makes sense.
Beginning with the fact that in the event of a natural disaster, many of the local authorities will themselves be affected!
Duh.
Of course there's what will call the New Orleans syndrome.
Which is basically that it cannot be assumed that the local authorities can handle the situation.
It will soon be known widely enough that the local people in LA fell down on the job. The cops quit, both NO cops and the LA state cops.
Besides corrupt and inept local authorities, how could we have expected men and women with family crushed by a tragedy to be at their best, assuming they bother to show up?
Yup. It's really going to take some re-thinking, folks. There will have to be a procedure and a plan. The constitution and its protection will have to be considered.
What happened in NO, FEMA got its trucks in there and awaited coordination from the locals.
None came.
How are weekend warriors supposed to know their way around NO streets? Then they were getting shot at, something the locals were again supposed to take care of.
We're lucky that the feds managed to get their act turned around quickly enough. That's an amazing feat, frankly.
If you listened to Chertoff during his many press conferences, but especially the one today, he as much as said the premise was false.
It's going to take some thinking outside the box. From people who frankly should have been thinking outside the box waaaaay before this.
I'll go one step further. Us American citizens all dropped the ball. Before NO and the nightmare, I'd have backed the "local authority" premise to my deathbed.
No more.
Disasters like this are going to have to be handled by the Feds. Period. They are going to re-vamp their entire operational vision.
If the army was really smart, they'd pinpoint problem areas, such as NO when everyone knew about the problem of the levees. Then the military can put into effect, BEFORE it happens, a plan of operation. They can research the locale, population, etc, and come up with a plan.
Depending on the local authorities did not work. We should be thanking the corrupt NO police for teaching us this lesson.
Then our elected congress critters are going to have to put into effect a stipulated but quick plan to enact the takeover by the feds while protecting our rights as citizens and the danger of giving our military carte blanche to take over our lives and under what circumstances.
Call them in for a vote, I say. Give this takeover by the feds a time line, able to be extended or cut short.
We cannot assume the local people have done their job in preparation, will do the job as prepared in the event of a disaster, spent their federal funds wisely as earmarked for training in local disasters.
New Orleans taught us that.
We are just so lucky the feds were able to turn it around. It was simply not meant to happen the way it did. Sure there's an underbelly social problem in NO. Let the sociologists debate it.
When it comes to saving lives and reacting in a disaster, time to turn it over to one central experienced entity such as the military.
Is this anywhere near true?:
Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck -- a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.
No. The answer is to get rid of corrupt Democratic-run machines. Mississippi didn't have these problems, Alabama didn't have these problems. Florida, with all of her hurricanes, hasn't had these problems. California didn't have these problems with the San Francisco and Northridge earthquakes. Look at New York after 9/11. The cure is worse than the disease.
In the end, I hope GWB gets the credit he deserves on this one.
Gun, meet smoke...
Hope Knight Ridder carries this as the headline tomorrow. They've been full of Bush Bashing for 5 days, esp. Seth Bornstein.
When Harrigan repeated his words he misquoted him by saying "They got idiots running this thing."
OMG!! I heard the same thing. Thought I was crazy. Thanks for confirming.
Nagin and Blanko need to be impeached, if not indicted!
Good find! Everybody needs to send whatever they find to their reps, to the media, to the blogs, and to all of their friends. We need to fully expose the Rats for the lying, racist, incompetent demogouges that they are.
I'm betting that the trial lawyers will sue everybody with deep pockets and any possible involvement in this fiasco: FEMA, Federal Gov, DOD, State of Louisiana, City of NOLA, Fox News, the AP, contractors who worked on the levees, companies that built I-10 through LA, bus manufacturers, tire companies, and maybe even Harry Conick Jr. just to leave no stone unturned. There will be a torrent of legal paper flowing out of the Delta region. I'm staying out of there until the whole thing dies down in a few years.
Let the bastards choke to death on the truth.
He'll be treated like a hero while Bush is excoriated. Count on it. In fact, it's already happening among liberals. I heard one say, "Oooooh, I have a crush on him!" when she heard him cussing everybody on the air.
Needless to say, the MSM will play right along and heap shameless praise upon Nagin.
MM
Again, the above is true. So very, very true.
In the event of a disaster, I'm sticking with my story, it's not time for the feds, who are supposed to be backup, to be trying to "judge" whether the locals are up to it.
I think I'm right and I think the premise is going to change.
Tons of dollars have been thrown at local authorities. They were supposed to be using them to train and prepare. I'm sorry, if the local authorities are paralyzed by the disaster they are supposed to aid, where's the logic to that?
This is not a joke. In the event of a disaster there's no time for the feds to be sitting around figuring out if THIS is a local authority capable of dealing with it.
We all know that there's urban areas across the country that have elected corrupt politicians and corruption starts at the head and rots on down.
Suppose, say, Detroit were hit by a disaster such as NO.
Just because the well-trained and responsible local authorities in Fl, Ala and Miss do the right thing, it's just wrong to think that's the case across the planet.
Does anyone really think the authorities in Detroit would do as well as those in Mississippi?
Chertoff today said it was a bad premise.
Take it to the bank, it's all going to change.
Weeding out local corruption and changing a socialistic national mindset will take years. Meanwhile a dirty bomb might go off in Detroit.
Sure. It makes me mad. People should act right.
After watching this NO thing unfold, 24/7, I understand the failure. And luckily, the DELAY in the coordinated federal response did not cost many lives, deducting the lives lost because of the actual disaster.
Hey, I don't know how it's all going to play out after the emergency is over. But when immediate response is required and a decent plan, we can't assume just because they do it right in Mississippi they will do it right in Detroit.
LOL! Fraudian slip?
Pure Honest has suddenly disappeared!
I cannot tell you how offended I get at how our outpouring of prayers and $$ is being pi$$ed at by the black leaders.
I for one did not stop and think about the color of the skin of these people when I sent in my donation.
I only hope the recipients of all this outpouring are more appreciative than the fricken ingrates I've been hearing from in the news.
And the bashing GWB is getting over this is unforgivable.
When he had to practically BEG for the locals to order the evacuation...........I'm so sick at the attitude...just sick!!
ping
Is this when they put their reefers down long enough to emerge from their stupors, only to realize they have an exam coming up that they haven't prepared for, and then start thrashing around looking for ways to cheat?
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