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Katrina Live Thread, Part XIV
Various ^ | 2 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/02/2005 3:03:06 PM PDT by NautiNurse

President Bush continues to assess the catastrophic damage by air and on the ground in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Bush spent the day meeting with search and rescue personnel, relief commanders, and displaced residents in Mobile, Biloxi, and the New Orleans area. U.S. Congress passed a $10.5 billion relief package for the hurricane ravaged areas. First Lady Laura Bush issued a press statement from an evacuation shelter in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Patient and staff evacuations continue from numerous New Orleans Hospitals. Thousands of patients are being airlifted to a field hospital at Louis Armstrong New Orleans Airport for triage, staging, and transport to hospitals throughout the United States.

The U.S. Coast Guard and civilian volunteers continue to evacuate thousands of survivors from their flooded homes in New Orleans. The Army Corps of Engineers continues work to repair the damaged levees.

The nation's airlines today began an operation intended to fly up to 25,000 refugees out of New Orleans. The airlines are volunteering their aircraft and crews for the program. Long convoys loaded with relief supplies arrived throughout the day into New Orleans, while convoys of buses are moving survivors out of the city.

Several large fires are burning in the city and greater New Orleans area. Reports indicate snipers are holding down firefighters. Reports of shots fired with LEO down in the St. Bernard Parish area. Rescue operations are underway. A bus carrying NOLA evauees rolled over in Opelousa, LA.

Links to various news, local and state government websites:

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends
2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.
NOLA.com
Inside Houma Today includes shelter and volunteer updates
WLBT.com Jackson MS
WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.
Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports
Gulfport News via Topix.net
WAFB Baton Rouge
Mobile Register via al.com
Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger
Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser
Pensacola News Journal
St Bernard Local Government
Alabama Homeland Security Volunteers can sign up online
Alabama DOT
Alabama.gov
Louisiana Homeland Security
Louisiana State Police road closure info
State of Mississippi Website has traffic alerts, emergency contact numbers

Streaming Video:

New Orleans Emergency Operations Center - is now open:
504-463-1000
504-463-1001
504-463-1002

WWL-TV New Orleans (via WFAA Dallas) - WWL-TV is operating from studios at Louisiana Public Broadcasting. CBS has a relay during the morning and afternoon. When available, use the CBS relay first as they have greater streaming capacity. Yahoo has also provided a relay.

WDSU-TV New Orleans - The news staff has started to return to temporary news studios near New Orleans. However, expect evening coverage from Hearst-Argyle sister stations WAPT Jackson and WESH Orlando when the New Orleans staff needs to take a break.

WGNO-TV New Orleans - New Orleans' ABC affiliate has returned to the air with WBRZ-TV and launched video streaming with continuous Katrina coverage.

WPMI-TV Mobile, AL - WPMI is webcasting from 5:30am - 10:30pm CDT. When off air, you can view pre-recorded reports on demand. This feed is often unreliable.

WKRG-TV Mobile, AL - This station is providing good coverage of the situation to the east in Mississippi and Alabama. However, the station is now signing off at around 10:30pm CDT like WWL and WPMI.

WJTV-TV Jackson, MS - The CBS affiliate in Jackson is providing live coverage for both the Jackson area and south Mississippi (knowing a lot of media in that area is off the air).

United Radio From New Orleans: WWL-AM, WNOE-FM, "KISS-FM," WRNO-FM, WYLD-FM, and WJBO-AM who have joined forces as United Radio From New Orleans, and they are streaming.

Related FR Threads:

FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread FReeper Check In thread
Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?
Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here
Looting Begins In New Orleans
Hurricane Katrina HOUSING Thread
Martial Law Declared in New Orleans


Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.

www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow, and lines are busy
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.
National Black Home Educators Resource Association http://www.nbhera.org/ Southern Baptist: NAMB - http://www.namb.net/
Samaritan's Purse - http://www.samaritanspurse.org/

Previous Threads:
Katrina Live Thread, Part XIII
Katrina Live Thread, Party XII
Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aftermath; hurricane; katrina; neworleans
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To: md2576
Seems they would have at least had emergency supplies and relocation areas more readily available.

Yeah, they ONLY had 250 shelter sites set up with meals and water... before the hurricane ever hit. They're feeding and sheltering ONLY hundreds of thousands of people.

But of course, that's not where the cameras go. The cameras go to the places where the people refused to leave.

2,421 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:06 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Interesting Times

Not real big on that "practice what you preach" thing, are we?



no not when i come under attack for asking for suggestions as to help my family. I don't bite first, I bite back


2,422 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:12 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: kingu

"I've been watching the journal of someone who lives in New Orleans. A friend is posting for him as he journies out of the city. Apparently there are still payphones working in the city (???), he had a meal this evening, and does not feel overly concerned for his safety and he is at the convention center."

That's good to hear. Sounds like they might have food, drink, and better security there now. Sometimes the internet is the only way to get the true facts out. On the other hand, I would still feel much better if they get ALL the women, children, sick, and elderly out of the convention center and dome tomorrow AS A PRIORITY.


2,423 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:28 PM PDT by plushaye (President Bush: W-2-4-4!! God Bless him and his administration.)
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To: Texasforever; Howlin
A couple of observations:

Leading up to the storm there was very little pressure from Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco to impress upon the people of NO that they needed to pay attention to this storm. Emphasis needs to be made that this was while they had access to most people through local media that eventually would be knocked off the air. We've all seen the buses and heard of the 80% of the population that evacuated when they saw the storm was coming. Personally, I know of at least two people who didn't have to be told twice to get out of town. And they did and they're both safe.

During the storm we were lead to believe by the media that NO had "dodged a bullet" mostly because the reporters were snug in French Quarter balconies. We learned quickly that they were wrong. The mayor told people to go to the Superdome as he had in storms previously so they could ride it out for a day and then go home.

But, between the time the storm hit and the levee broke those folks could have been evacuated but they weren't. Why not? This leads to a host of other questions which ultimately lead to the only possible conclusion: the governor and the mayor had no plan. By way of comparison I've been in Florida and Maryland for hurricanes and in both states the governors have not only had plans but have been specific in instructing the people in what to do, where to go, etc. This didn't happen in NO.

After the flood it was the responsibility of local leaders (parish presidents, mayor, governor) to direct law enforcement and aid to specific areas based on need and local knowledge. This didn't happen. One reason law enforcement didn't respond as quickly was because the mayor had issued an executive order that all NOPD officers must live in NO. Naturally, the officers were more concerned with their families than their jobs. I can't blame them.

They say that we are 48-72 hours from anarchy in this country and NO has proven that claim to be true. While the storm was still raging thugs were already looting and when they saw no police presence they got bolder. Until we see the mess that they've created.

I listened to the mayor last night rage against the president and today the governor talked about establishing a foundation while NO burned. That's not leadership. They pleaded for troops that are prevented by law from entering the city or are direceted by the governor. They complained about aid being mismanaged but it is their direction that moves that aid.

Here's an example: You've got so many tons of aid or troops and you have just arrived from Arkansas. You show up at a rally point and wait for someone from the state or mayor's office to provide you with local LE guides to the affected areas. You don't know the roads and you don't know if the area is safe so you rely on the locals. Just one problem: No one is there to help you. Multiply that by thousands of aid and NG people and you get the picture.

Meanwhile, we see 24 hour newsies lamenting the fact that people in their immediate surroundings aren't being helped. If the president was Clinton he would have ordered that a Blackhawk helicopter drop a crate of water on Shepard Smith's head and that would be the end of it.

Everything we're watching is what is called the "cascade effect" meaning that as mistakes are made they lead to more and more mistakes until there's a complete breakdown. The mayor and governor didn't have a plan so they couldn't direct local assets and when it got out of control they blamed the feds. Who were trying to get in to the city but they didn't know where to go or how to get there.

But none of this explains why things are so bad when we see people suffering like they are. That problem is a whole other issue. Why wouldn't folks just walk to the freeway and walk until they found safety? Why would they just sit in the Superdome and convention center and wait and die?

I think this article explains it best. I've been to places in this country where snowstorms can kill, where earthquakes can kill, where mudslides and monsoons can kill, and where hurricanes can kill but I've never seen so many people die because they waited to be told what to do.

Lastly, I'm sure that the media will be content to hang all of this on Bush's head, there's just one problem: He's a lame duck. So that won't get any democrats elected. But they can rest assured that this will firmly be remembered as preventable if only the troops in Iraq were home. There's just one problem: The LA NG troops are a mechanized division and they would not be deployed under these conditions. The troops that would be used in this case are in fact being sent to NO now. Also, the media won't (by and large) chase down the backstory but someone here or elsewhere will and when they do some digging I think the results will be staggering. Where did all the money that has been taxed and spent at every level to prepare for this anticipated event go and who was in charge. Right now the left is hammering that Bush cut funding for levee restoration but the cold reality is that the levees were constructed for a Cat III storm at most and conservative estimates put studies at 6 years to design Cat V conditions which would take as much as 30 years to complete.

In all probability the good people of NO that got out will stay out and assimilate in to their new host states. The French Quarter will be rebuilt and eventually prosper. But unless the rest of the city is a wholly owned federal enterprise don't expect to see projects rebuilt after they burn to the ground. After all there truly is no such thing as a free lunch.

2,424 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:38 PM PDT by nunya bidness (Remember, they hated Him first.)
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To: All

to whoever was asking about scanner links, I have this page:
http://scannerfeeds.us

1st feed is NG/State police command Freq
2nd is Air Tactical, and Baton Rouge/West Suburbs NO state police tactical


2,425 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: md2576
Well from what I've heard they can bus them out but there is no where to take them. That's not being prepared and they've had years to plan on where to relocate if the levy breaks.

They are taking them to Texas and you cannot plan on where to take refugees out of state until you have refugees and states willing to accept them. Right now it appears that Texas is taking 95% of them and I am not happy about it.

2,426 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:59 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: StarFan

Bizarre, wasn't it?


2,427 posted on 09/02/2005 10:18:16 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Texasforever
I'm telling you right now that this may be the end for Bush since the GOP is about to run for cover.

What ever would make you think that? Could it be because nobody is defending Bush and Frist is thinking about hearings to look into what went wrong before the last person is even rescued?

2,428 posted on 09/02/2005 10:18:42 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Spktyr

Yes in a different parish.....Have we heard whether they've been rescued yet?


2,429 posted on 09/02/2005 10:18:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Me too! Scarey to think about some of the prisoners that caused the problems in the dome ended up on buses to Houston according to a report on WWL last night by a doctor who was in the Dome.


2,430 posted on 09/02/2005 10:19:24 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for correcting me...I couldn't exactly remember when it became known...

That one is a head scratcher for me...I can't figure out how that building could have 30,000 people like the policeman said on H&C, and it not be known for 2 days!! Weird.

I was shocked when he said there were that many people in there...


2,431 posted on 09/02/2005 10:19:58 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: oceanview

Number 6 station alone (4 pumps), moves 850 cu ft of water per second! About 5,000 gallons per second, 300,000 gallons of water per minute, etc.


2,432 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:02 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: NautiNurse

Just got home from a wedding. The warnings about gas this weekend are either 1) true or 2) giving station owners carte blache to gouge.

Example: as of 12:45am EST, a major gas station in Kingsbridge, Bronx had caution tape over the pumps with signs saying "out of regular and plus" Of course you could get premium for $3.89.


2,433 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:06 PM PDT by chet_in_ny
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To: Texasforever

It's kind of worrisome....I think this may turn around and bite us in the rear. A lot of these folks will stay and end up on OUR welfare rolls. But for now it's nice getting all the media adulation for Governor Perry's generosity.


2,434 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:29 PM PDT by cowdog77
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To: tcrlaf

SCANNER- 200-300 people trapped inside a church in NO east (1 Block north of Loyola?)

New Orders - Busses MUST HAVE ESCORTS


2,435 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Really! It's sad that these people have lived in such a bubble that they have no clue that a huge portion of our country isn't racist, but we don't like gangsters, don't find it "cool" or "hip" or whatever they think it may be.

I would love to get hold of all these small children and babies and give them a normal upbringing...

2,436 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:50 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DrewsMum
I wasn't talking about a fancy tanker,,just something that could safely transport gas

Is there a Heavy and Highway construction company near you? They have service trucks that can carry quite a bit of gas. They are also high riding so they could probably get through some of the tough spots. Give them a call as ask. It sure wouldn't hurt.

2,437 posted on 09/02/2005 10:20:53 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Global Dumbing far more serious threat than Global Warming)
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To: DrewsMum

Some of your comments lead me to believe you are not entirely familiar with basic hurricane preparation. In what area of the country do you live?


2,438 posted on 09/02/2005 10:21:47 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: kingu
There was enough good warning for all sensible people to leave on Friday. I would have.

I've been through many hurricanes. I have evacuated for one. Hugo.

You need to evacuate before the official announcement is made. Once they say 'RUN !!', it's too late. Too late to run easy anyway, and there is the danger of being stuck in traffic and doing the storm in a car.

Run soon, before it becomes obvious to everyone that running is the best option. Or stay put prepared for the worst.
2,439 posted on 09/02/2005 10:22:07 PM PDT by Tobor
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To: Abigail Adams
Makes more sense to make a huge delivery with trucks. And speaking of trucks, there is limited access to the area. Big trucks with heavy loads can't travel on many secondary roads because of their weight.

A few Ch-47's and/or Ch-53's wouldn't hurt anything, every little bit helps.

CH47 link

CH47

Max gross: 50,000 lbs. Empty: 23,401 lbs.

CH-53 link.

CH-53Maximum takeoff weight:

Internal load: 69,750 pounds

External load: 73,500 pounds

2,440 posted on 09/02/2005 10:22:19 PM PDT by rdl6989
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