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DOES ANYONE DOUBT ....(Jonah Goldberg)
Natonal Review's The Corner ^ | Sept. 2/2005 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/02/2005 12:14:59 PM PDT by headsonpikes

DOES ANYONE DOUBT [Jonah Goldberg ]

That if 1,2,3... a dozen looters had been shot the first day New Orleans would be a better place today? (And again, I'm talking about the actual thieves not the people trying to survive). One thing that confuses the objections to the "shoot on sight" policy is that it sounds like looters will be getting shot day after day after day.

You don't have to shoot on sight very long before would-be looters realize "hey, I might get shot on sight." We've now heard of multiple outrages as a result of people being stranded in places -- particularly Charity Hospital -- simply because rescue workers couldn't risk getting killed.

Rudy Giuliani's New York proved that James Q. Wilson's and George L. Kellings' "broken windows" theory was correct. People take cues from small instances of disorder and chaos and commit even worse acts of disorder and chaos. Clearly it works when the initial lawlessness isn't small. When criminals see that looting is permitted, they -- rationally -- conclude that everything is permitted. There have been rapes and beatings in the Superdome because that interpretation has become widespread.

How many people died because of the lawlessness that was allowed to fester....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bang; brokenwindows; goldberg; katrina; looters; neworleans; shooters
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To: headsonpikes
When I hear that that Rhodes woman from Air America is encouraging looting, all I can think is that she's letting some radical chic nonsense take precedence over the need to save peoples' lives.

The Nation magazine is encouraging looting as well.


21 posted on 09/02/2005 12:31:25 PM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: headsonpikes

while Goldberg makes a couple of interesting points in this post on NRO he has been a LOUD and stupid critic of the President for 2 days. This man of privledge, who has held exactly one teaching job overseas, as his career experience - besides writing- has been telling everyone that would listen how he would do it different. Doubt he ever held a gun or patched up someone needing it after being shot. Talk is cheap and so is he. / rant off


22 posted on 09/02/2005 12:33:18 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: headsonpikes

Detroit vs. Toledo in the 68 riots.


23 posted on 09/02/2005 12:35:25 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: justshutupandtakeit

What if you are carrying a weapon just for self defense purposes?

Shooting anyone with a weapon is a bad idea.


24 posted on 09/02/2005 12:36:01 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

You would not be roaming the streets if that were the case.


25 posted on 09/02/2005 12:36:49 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Any of these bastards seen with a gun should be taken out."

If I were still at my house, I'd be guarding it with a gun, probably from an upstairs window.

Also, if I were forced to be moving about in such an environment, I would prefer to be carrying arms.

So, all in all, I'd prefer the "bastards" be carefully discerned as actual looters caught in the act. Then shoot them.

26 posted on 09/02/2005 12:45:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. " - Mohammed)
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To: headsonpikes
Same premise for why we should have leveled Fallujah and executed Lindauer. Criminals, Democrats and Terrorists only behave themselves when they fear the consequences of their actions.
27 posted on 09/02/2005 12:46:19 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: rdb3

The Nation knows its audience.


28 posted on 09/02/2005 12:47:54 PM PDT by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

If I were there, I might very well be trying to help others, but I would only do so while carrying a weapon.

Under your scenario, it would be better for me to sit home (or at what's left of my home) and not help at all.

That's really well thought out.


29 posted on 09/02/2005 12:49:35 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Jim_Curtis

Keep letting your kids listen to the bling bling hip hop crowd.The gangsta mentality is rampant in the US..We're quickly becoming a pathetic country . Politicians are the worst of the lot.


30 posted on 09/02/2005 12:52:41 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Interstate 55 North was replete with Somalia-style "technicals." 'Twas ugly, but they were looking for targets of opportunity, so they avoided people who seemed competent.
31 posted on 09/02/2005 12:52:52 PM PDT by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: headsonpikes

Where is the governor? Has anybody seen her?


32 posted on 09/02/2005 12:53:31 PM PDT by sydbas
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To: Jim_Curtis

Dead on observation


33 posted on 09/02/2005 12:53:36 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: hoboken109

This country has gradually become a nation of wimps and PC morons to the extent that we dont even know how to protect ourselves or survive anymore. we're all but lost . Wait till NYC is blow to bit next time..You'll see the law of the jungle at it's worst


34 posted on 09/02/2005 12:55:14 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Democrat cities have been allowing looting since 1968.


35 posted on 09/02/2005 1:01:57 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: headsonpikes

One has to ask the question, were there fewer or more murders, rapes and robberies in N.O. after the hurricane than before?


36 posted on 09/02/2005 1:02:24 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Greenberg just retired, I believe.

I think they could use atop cop of his caliber in Nawlins!


37 posted on 09/02/2005 1:07:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: headsonpikes

One of the stories that will not be covered in the MSM:


New Orleans Police Cut and Run


38 posted on 09/02/2005 1:31:10 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: Brad Cloven

You would not be roaming the streets looking like a thug if dumb enough to stay in the cesspool.


39 posted on 09/02/2005 1:52:58 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Sorry but there would be nothing good an individual would be doing in this environment. Everyone has been ordered out of the city and thus, anyone still there on the streets should be persumed to be up to no good. Once the Guard is in place there is no reason to be roaming around armed.


40 posted on 09/02/2005 1:55:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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