Study reveals huge U.S. oil-shale field

The Seattle Times ^ | Sep. 1, 2005 | Jennifer Talhelm

[Herosmith]

WASHINGTON — The United States has an oil reserve at least three times that of Saudi Arabia locked in oil-shale deposits beneath federal land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, according to a study released yesterday.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

That's right. It's a lot easier to squeeze oil from sand that it is from rock.

[rellimpank]

--Armand Hammers' company (Occidental) spent millions of DOE tax dollars on the in-situ process which won't work and was also inefficient as far as total recovery of the resource---

[kjvail]

"I know folks who can detail the faults of representative democracy in exquisitely painful detail."

Is this why I get a ping?
Yes I'm one of those folks...
I would agree with protagoras

" I'm not sure it would pass WITH majority support of Americans.
"

The majority of American's (who give a darn, which is really about 25% of Americans) would be persuaded by whichever demogogue packaged the best propoganda - THAT'S the reality of democracy.
You can be nearly certain that, all else being equal, the oil industry would pay for the slickest ads and most well-known spokesmen for their cause - THAT'S the reality of a capitalist democracy.
What's best for the country isn't even in the equation.

[sitetest]

Dear kjvail,

"Is this why I get a ping?"

Yes, friend, because you are someone quite adept at carrying the argument against representative democracy, and it appears that Protagoras may either not realize the logical conclusions of his thoughts, or conversely, may wish to embrace your cause.

How've you been doing?


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[Protagoras]

Nice try. Trying to turn the tables from the actual socialistic agenda you advocate into me not supporting a true democratic republic is a childish but often used tactic. Thankfully almost no one would buy that particular BS.

[Amish with an attitude]

"Expect to be shunned for the first few years"

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

[Don Carlos]

Having driven S. Wyoming numerous times, IMO anything they do will enhance the environment. What a Gd-forsaken place!

[sitetest]

Dear Protagoras,

"Nice try."

Thanks!

"Trying to turn the tables..."

Not trying to turn any tables. It's interesting you took it that way. However, you seem to have problems with our republic as it currently stands, and I invited someone to the conversation with an unusual perspective on that.

What you perhaps view as a cynical ploy was actually a good-faith effort to broaden the conversation. Although I don't quite agree with kjvail, I appreciate his perspective, and his critique of liberal democracy. I wish he'd stuck around in the thread to discuss it.

"actual socialistic agenda you advocate..."

* chuckle *. Well, you have a little more expansive definition of "socialistic" than I do. I merely asked whether we should use a tax policy that was used by the Founders.

"Thankfully almost no one would buy that particular BS."

LOL. Sounds like you're hoping. Keep crossing your fingers. ;-)


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[kjvail]

"Yes, friend, because you are someone quite adept at carrying the argument against representative democracy, and it appears that Protagoras may either not realize the logical conclusions of his thoughts, or conversely, may wish to embrace your cause.

How've you been doing? "

God is good to me.

I get bored butting heads with the Jacobins on this board and its depressing to see the the state to which the formerly conservative party has fallen, so I don't read much here.

You'll find me on Apologia or Polemics. Although the Polemics board has just restarted so there isn't much too it yet.

[sitetest]

Dear kjvail,

"God is good to me."

Me, too!

"I get bored butting heads with the Jacobins on this board and its depressing to see the the state to which the formerly conservative party has fallen, so I don't read much here"

Well, remember that "conservative" means different things in different places.

"You'll find me on Apologia or Polemics. Although the Polemics board has just restarted so there isn't much too it yet."

Sounds like fun. Would they be nice to a devout Catholic whose political leanings are both perhaps a little conventional, and not so tightly-held?


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[kjvail]

Apologia is a traditionalist Catholic board - lots of SSPX'ers. Polemics is a paleo-conservative blog with forum.

"Well, remember that "conservative" means different things in different places. "

Yes, well when it starts to mean blind support for the national security state, plebscite democracy and a Pax Americana in the world.
I go a different path.

[Fred Hayek]

Some of the tests for the in-situ process involved setting off a kiloton range nuclear device underground to create the in-situ retort. There was a considerable amount of fission fraction contamination in the product.

[rellimpank]

--are you perhaps speaking of the Rulison nuclear blast , the purpose of which was to fracture a gas-bearing formation to let the natural gas out in a recoverable fashion?

[Fred Hayek]

Thanks, I stand corrected on that test. Use of a kiloton range device was proposed at one point however to perform in-situ retorting.

[rellimpank]

--this morning's Rocky Mountain news has an interesting piece on Shell Oil and an experiment on kerogen -bearing marlstone (oil shale)---would appear to have more interesting economics than the previously proposed stuff---

--I can't do links on the computer I'm on--

[sitetest]

Dear kjvail,

Well, I'd probably be thrown out of Apologia, then. LOL.

Probably Polemics, too.

I'm not an SSPXer or a paleo-conservative.

"Yes, well when it starts to mean blind support for the national security state, plebscite democracy and a Pax Americana in the world. I go a different path."

I understand. I don't feel comfortable with certain inherent parts of those things, either.

Good to see ya, anyway.


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