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Mayor: hundreds, maybe thousands, dead in New Orleans
AP ^ | Aug 31 2005

Posted on 08/31/2005 11:33:28 AM PDT by george wythe

Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people have died in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the city, Mayor C. Ray Nagin said Wednesday.

It will at least two or three months before the city has electricity. Restaurants won't be able to open; there won't be any commerce, he said during an impromptu news conference at the Hyatt Hotel.

"This is the real deal. It's not living conditions," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: deathtoll; godhelpthem; hurricanekatrina; katrina; neworleans
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To: RockinRight
Think of all the construction jobs... my brother lives in Vero Beach, hard hit by last years "events" you cannot find a contractor at any price for the most part, as far as supplies forget it for years.
21 posted on 08/31/2005 11:44:30 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Maceman
If Katrina has not already directly cost the lives of thousands, I will be grateful for the miracle, but very much surprised

There is also the danger of a major epidemic, with bodies floating in 95-degree whether, both human and animal corpses.

I thought that Andrew was the worst natural disaster in my lifetime, but I'm afraid this Katrina hurricane is much worse.

22 posted on 08/31/2005 11:45:54 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: SF Republican

Does the mayor still have a job?


23 posted on 08/31/2005 11:46:51 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: george wythe
The N.O. Mayor says the numbers could be in the thousands.

Mississippi also may have thousands of deaths, too:

Astonishing Exclusive from Mississippi

One report said a city of 20,000 (Mississippi, IIRC) and its residents completely disappeared.

The number of deaths could be incomprehensibly high.
24 posted on 08/31/2005 11:47:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Lurking in Kansas; RockinRight

As a citizen of Baton Rouge, let me just say that we know New Orleans, we love New Orleans, but we don't want to be New Orleans, or the "New" New Orleans. It's a great place to visit, but if we wanted to be there, we would have moved there.

I can guarantee the people on the northshore of Lake Pontchartrain don't want to be New Orleans, either -- most of them moved over there to get away from New Orleans.

If New Orleans is going to be rebuilt, please don't do it here.


25 posted on 08/31/2005 11:47:49 AM PDT by Thrusher (Remember the Mog.)
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To: RockinRight

How far north to be reasonably high ground?


26 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:18 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Kurt_D

It's been a long time since a real live storm surging Cat 4 or 5 rolled through. The damage effects increase exponetially as you move up the scale. Too many near misses conditioned people to think it's hype.

Then the big one comes and educates another generation.

Galveston was hit in 1900 and it still hasn't recovered. Houston took it from Galveston. Baton Rouge is going to take it from NO.


27 posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:18 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: RockinRight

Good point. Or, rebuild in the same below-sea-level spot and wait for the next category 4 or 5 storm to devastate the city all over again.


28 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:23 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: RockinRight
And do what with the 600,000 people living there?

If the jobs stay, the people stay. Otherwise, the people go where the jobs are. Who/what are New Orleans' major employers?

29 posted on 08/31/2005 11:50:05 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: george wythe
This "mayor" is too drunk, stoned or stupid to know his ass from his elbow about what's really the truth about the situation. The Governor is not much better.
30 posted on 08/31/2005 11:50:43 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: RockinRight
Think of all the construction jobs...

And the illegals ...

31 posted on 08/31/2005 11:50:57 AM PDT by 11th_VA (And so it was in the days of Noah ...)
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To: RockinRight
A poster on another thread wrote about Galveston suffering a similar tragedy with a hurricane in 1900. The city of Galveston brought in dirt and raised the city ground level to 15 feet about the sea level.

Perhaps New Orleans can consider filling out the bowl where it is located and rebuilding at a higher elevation.

32 posted on 08/31/2005 11:51:06 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: AD from SpringBay

Actually, it could work.

Hopefully without the SCOTUS eminent domain coming into play.

There's mostly rural land upstream. Most of the time, rural land is cheaper on a per acre basis than urban. Land is not insured but homes are so that's a start. If I lived in St. James Parish (which would be a good location for a new city) and I owned 5 acres worth $200,000 on the current market-if someone says "we have 110 homeowners who have sustained losses that want to divide your land into 110 parcels at $10,000 each...do the math! I'd sell!


33 posted on 08/31/2005 11:51:25 AM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: From The Deer Stand
Good point. Or, rebuild in the same below-sea-level spot and wait for the next category 4 or 5 storm to devastate the city all over again.

I think I read in an Anne Rice novel once that the knowledge that the next one could be the big one was a reason for New Orleans' "laissez le bon temp roulez" attitude; (i.e., life is uncertain, enjoy it while you can)

34 posted on 08/31/2005 11:52:28 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: edcoil

It's really sad that people did not listen , it sure would have been better to error on the side of safety. They had plenty of time. The City should have had a better plan for the elderly, and the poor that didn't the ability to vacate. State officials knew how serious it was and shouldn't have given people a choice.

It's really sad. People rushed to Sri Lanka but the thought of not rushing a different group to deal with the dead floating, decaying is hard to take, especially in America. Hate to say it but even Castro in Cuba, evacuated it's people. We will pull through and help our own.


35 posted on 08/31/2005 11:52:30 AM PDT by newfrpr04
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To: ncountylee

30 miles west actually, in St. James Parish. At least it looks like that on the map I found. It's largely undeveloped now. The land is owned by someone surely...but being rural land it's affordable from an urban homeowner's perspective. I'm sure if I owned 5 acres that used to be worth $200k but was now worth millions to the developer that wants it...I'd sell! Especially under the circumstances.


36 posted on 08/31/2005 11:53:18 AM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: george wythe

I'm pretty sure the storm that just passed would have overflowed the Galveston seawall. It wouldn't breach it (Granite is good stuff) but it would have gone over the top and flooded the city.

Floods are a pain but nothing compared to a wall of wind driven water and debris stacked like a giant moving dike. That's what did it Galveston the first time.


37 posted on 08/31/2005 11:54:04 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: george wythe
That spoof is completely irresponsible considering the scope of this catastrophe. It loses any semblance of humor when one considers that possibly 2 people have committed suicide the last couple of days at the Super Dome.
38 posted on 08/31/2005 11:54:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: RockinRight

Some of the Louisiana farmland is VERY valuable.


39 posted on 08/31/2005 11:55:00 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: george wythe

I am not an expert on much of anything, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but.

As I am given to understand, conventional propeller driven boats are at a huge disadvantage in navigating present water conditions in NOLA. I have seen a few air boats being put into use, but far too few.

I would suggest that in the US, every sales show room and manufacturing facility of jet (not engine, but where in lieu of a prop, they use a pump to propel the craft) boats be cleared out and all such craft immediately shipped down to New Orleans. This would include all PWC (personal watercraft) as these small, highly maneuverable one and two man craft can negotiate where larger boats cannot.

Utilizing the jet boats would allow much greater real time resources to be used in response to those in immediate dire need. Be it having manpower to check on those who may be trapped in attics, to deliver water, food, and medicine to those people whom cannot be removed for now.

It is time to think outside the bureaucratic box and get creative for confronting the daunting task of preventing imminent deaths.

In those areas where the water has subsided, follow up with as many ATV's as needed to check and recheck for rescues.


40 posted on 08/31/2005 11:56:29 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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