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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
NOAA - NHC and Various ^ | 29 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:51 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Spktyr

Boy, I hope they can.


2,161 posted on 08/29/2005 11:43:36 PM PDT by AggieMom x 3
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To: STARWISE
there is no way to stop it unless you break another levee opposite of it
2,162 posted on 08/29/2005 11:43:40 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: JohnBovenmyer

The only thing I can think of is to sink barges in the gap - that's the only thing ready to hand that would be large enough.


2,163 posted on 08/29/2005 11:44:03 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: burzum
Head loss (friction in the piping and the energy required to change the direction of water in horizontal turns of the pipe) is still the controlling factor. The power needed is still proportional to the cube of the volumetric flow rate.

There are two forces one has to work against: head loss and gravity. In any given system, I would expect the power requirement to be approximately k1*V^3 + k2*V where V is the volumetric flow rate and k1 and k2 are proportionality constants. If V is much less than sqrt(k2/k1), the linear term will dominate. If V is much greater than sqrt(k2/k1), the cubic term will dominate. If V equal or nearly equal to sqrt(k2/k1), both terms will contribute significantly.

2,164 posted on 08/29/2005 11:44:06 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: Howlin

I kept looking up thinking surely it wasn't really live...the anchor was ticking me off b/c I thought he wasn't paying attention to what she was saying b/c of some of the questions, but now that I think about it, I suspect he was just stunned and thought he was hearing wrong, too.

Very frightening...

Especially disconcerting b/c if she's correct, it sure doesn't seem like it's very 'common knowledge' about what's happening (or at least non of the other media I can find have mentioned that or are even live...but perhaps something more local is)...makes me think that it may get even worse b/c everyone's 'in the dark' about what's up...and if it's happening this quickly, it may be too late to do much for those still in the area.


2,165 posted on 08/29/2005 11:44:32 PM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: STARWISE

What did the mayor say about the breach?


2,166 posted on 08/29/2005 11:44:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Give me a second, 17th and Canal couldn't be found, but let me try something else.


2,167 posted on 08/29/2005 11:45:18 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: garandgal

I was wondering about the temps there: thinking that, too. I saw on wlox's website: current 34 F, feels like 13F!!

Horrible!


2,168 posted on 08/29/2005 11:45:21 PM PDT by cgk (We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)
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To: Spktyr

That's the first thing my husband said.


2,169 posted on 08/29/2005 11:45:41 PM PDT by AggieMom x 3
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To: STARWISE

You know and I have to give it to the authorties are done an excellent job in alot of respects. The scary thing is I getting the feeling there is a lack of communication from the parishes to Baton rouge fema etc. JUst the lack of the info on Slidell is frightning . I think something has broke down and why we are having such generic statements from Baton Rouge.


2,170 posted on 08/29/2005 11:45:56 PM PDT by bayourant
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To: Snoitan5

Do you mind is I ask where you are ...and dad?

I'm old Mississippian and have friends in Biloxi we can't reach either

Those apartments getting leveled is just like the Richeleui apartments back in Camille...


2,171 posted on 08/29/2005 11:46:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (windy here now)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

no, its the 17th Street Canal...


2,172 posted on 08/29/2005 11:46:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Was the Yahoo map I posted any good?


2,173 posted on 08/29/2005 11:46:46 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Howlin

http://www.easternuswx.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=48087&view=findpost&p=568248

It's in the NW part of the image, near the red building, and bridge.


2,174 posted on 08/29/2005 11:46:46 PM PDT by nwctwx (Everything I need to know, I learned on the Threat Matrix)
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To: Howlin

Per the NO Times-Picayune, the break is on the 17th Street Canal near the Hammond Highway. That's on the New Orleans-Metairie border near the lake:

Flood waters still rising, Red Cross expects "largest recovery operaton" ever
By Mark Schleifstein
Staff writer

Federal Emergency Management Agency spokesman Marty Bahamond, stationed at the New Orleans Emergency Operations Center, said a 100-to-200-meter section of levee and wall failed on the eastern side of the 17th Street Canal at the Hammond Highway bridge, which connects Buck Town in Metairie and West Lakeview in New Orleans.

Bahamond said the breach is a major factor in flooding that now covers an area bounded by the 17th Street Canal, the Industrial Canal and Interstate 10, and is spreading.


Areas flooded include the neighborhoods of Gentilly, Lakeview, City Park and Mid City, he said.


Determining exactly where the water from the 17th Street Canal is going is difficult, but its causing floodwaters to rise in that entire area late Monday.

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http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_08.html#074963


2,175 posted on 08/29/2005 11:47:03 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Maigrey

I gave up on FNC awhile ago also (for CNN...like you, b/c they're at least live)...I hope FNC isn't daring to play that stupid "we're always live" thing on their little spots... No, you're not live, and you're missing what's going on. Not like they don't have folks down there, even if they're not in ideal spots...they could be doing something...intermixing earlier segments with some live stuff like CNN is...ugh. Irritating.


2,176 posted on 08/29/2005 11:47:26 PM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: STARWISE

Lakeview.


2,177 posted on 08/29/2005 11:47:35 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Ping to image... I have conformation from a local.


2,178 posted on 08/29/2005 11:48:41 PM PDT by nwctwx (Everything I need to know, I learned on the Threat Matrix)
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To: Howlin; nwctwx

Thanks


2,179 posted on 08/29/2005 11:49:17 PM PDT by Revel
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To: mfccinsd

I agree at least Fox could read off Nola.com and their updates


2,180 posted on 08/29/2005 11:49:21 PM PDT by bayourant
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