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Mayor: 200 trapped on Ninth Ward rooftops; bodies floating in Bywater
WWLTV.com ^ | 02:37 PM CDT on Monday, August 29, 2005 | WWLTV

Posted on 08/29/2005 12:39:10 PM PDT by Smogger

Mayor Ray Nagin said that 200 people were stranded on rooftops in the Lower Ninth Ward and several “bodies are floating in the water” in the Bywater neighborhood and in Eastover.

Nagin made the announcement in his first press briefing after Hurricane Katrina slammed just east of the city, but did plenty of devastation to New Orleans.

Nagin said that the 200 stranded people included 20 police officers who were riding out the storm at their homes in preparation to take over shifts from other officers. He said that boats would be dispatched on rescue missions later in the afternoon.

Mayor Nagin issued a "boil water" recommendation for water in the city - except for Algiers and the CBD due to a water main line break that may have compromised the water.

Nagin said at least 20 buildings in the city had collapsed and that it might be 48 hours before residents would be allowed back to their homes to assess the damage.

(Excerpt) Read more at wwltv.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricane; hurricanekatrina; katrina; la; mayor; neworleans; raynagin
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Perhaps you could explain the significance of your question?

It's about timing. The situation is in progress as we converse on these boards.

There is a time for discussing the ins and outs of what the government should do here.

NOW IS NOT THAT TIME.


501 posted on 08/30/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: Howlin

Are you suggesting that grown adults are incapable of feeding and clothing themselves?

Or are you suggesting that infants are capable of feeding themselves with no help?


502 posted on 08/30/2005 12:43:29 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Willie Green
"Scrooge was a money-grubbing libertarian atheist."

Willie, that sounds exactly like some of those who would attempt passing themselves off as "ultra-conservative." Nice catch!

503 posted on 08/30/2005 12:44:14 PM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I'm suggesting that you are a foolish poster.


504 posted on 08/30/2005 12:46:10 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Having already watched my only sibling be buried, and watching my father die of cancer, I am more callous than the average person when it comes to issues of life and death.

I'm sure that your father and sibling are looking down on you right now, proud of the lessons you learned from the loss of them.

You dishonor their lives with your hard-hearted talk.

505 posted on 08/30/2005 12:47:54 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: rdb3

That's ludicrous. I suppose you refrain from discussing the Iraq was, since the "situation is in progress" as we converse now.


506 posted on 08/30/2005 12:50:40 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
I suppose you refrain from discussing the Iraq was, since the "situation is in progress" as we converse now.

No, that you would compare this hurricane with the war in Iraq is what is "ludicrous."

Then again on the Iraq subject, since our troops are in theatre, the politics should end at the Atlantic coastline.

Like I said, we're at your loved one's grave with the minister saying the last words. I lean over and ask you, "Can you believe how the ump called that obvious strike a ball?"


507 posted on 08/30/2005 12:57:44 PM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum; Huck; cyborg; rdb3

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=national

Okay, veritas and Huck. I now see the light. Screw 'em all. DON'T GIVE THESE BASTARDS SO MUCH AS A DRINK OF WATER!


508 posted on 08/30/2005 1:14:33 PM PDT by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, bama...banana rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: subterfuge
And now it shuts down. I take no pleasure in having these types of arguments. Yet they must be argued.


509 posted on 08/30/2005 1:50:58 PM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: subterfuge

If you want to give them water, go ahead. I promise not to stop you.

However, I'd love to hear your rationale for proclaiming to have the authority to force me to do so.


510 posted on 08/30/2005 2:49:57 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: rdb3

The bottom line is simple.

Either we are a nation of laws, or we are not.

If we are, the Constitution is the Supreme law.

It says clearly the US government only possesses certain powers, and each is clearly enumerated therein.

I cannot find the part specifically talking about using tax dollars for charity (or as you may prefer, disaster relief)

Please consider Davy Crockett's "Not Yours To Give".
http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

Once we make exceptions to laws, the laws become meaningless. Posters here seem to desire some sort of democratic anarchy where the government does whatever most of the voters want them to do, whether or not those proposed government actions are in line with existing law.

I am very troubled by this, but not the least bit surprised by the inevitable willingness of people to gradually trade liberty for security until the will to live freely is but an after thought.


511 posted on 08/30/2005 2:55:07 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Smogger
Mayor Nagin issued a "boil water" recommendation for water in the city - except for Algiers and the CBD due to a water main line break that may have compromised the water.

This sounds like they managed to splice the break back together underwater, no mean feat.

512 posted on 08/30/2005 2:56:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
I am very troubled by this, but not the least bit surprised by the inevitable willingness of people to gradually trade liberty for security until the will to live freely is but an after thought.

That "liberty for security" line is pure sloganeering.

With this situation, let's say you're in charge. You say constitutionally that we have nothing here our government can legally do. With this hurricane, what's your alternative?


513 posted on 08/30/2005 3:11:35 PM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: NittanyLion
I'm sure all the senior citizens too old or infirm to evacuate the city, and without any available public transportation to do so, would appreciate any ideas you may have on how to avoid this in the future.

Sad to say, but the best way to avoid this in the future is to rebuild the city on higher ground. Earlier reports said that it being where it is, with the massive flood control system that requires, has been causing erosion south of it, leaving it more vulnerable to hurricanes every year.

And since we're coming out of a 30-year slump in the number of hurricanes....
514 posted on 08/30/2005 3:14:50 PM PDT by Silverdrake
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To: BayouCoyote

There's a big cargo plane on it's way. I hope it's full of rations and SOLDIERS. What use is it to declare marshall law (martial law) whatever if you don't enforce it? They caught a few looters this morning but many got away.


515 posted on 08/30/2005 3:57:11 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: BayouCoyote

A SEAL, yes a seal somehow ended up on the side of a city street. He's pretty big. People all day have been trying to save this poor creature. Where would a seal come from? (CNN-Anderson Cooper). I've been watching CNN because they've had the least commercials. MSNBC the and Fox are tied for commercial breaks.


516 posted on 08/30/2005 4:36:14 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: rdb3

Just to repeat what I've said to you once already:

"Now, if I knew that the tax dollars spent to "give aid" to Katrina victims were earmarked for legitimate national interests such as shipping logistics and the oil drilling infrastructure in the Gulf, I'd probably be okay. "

Did you not read that, or are you deliberately being dishonest about what you know to be my views?


517 posted on 08/30/2005 6:46:37 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Did you not read that, or are you deliberately being dishonest about what you know to be my views?

Anyway, having read what you wrote about infrastructure, you still did not address the issue about the people themselves. What's your alternative for them?


518 posted on 08/30/2005 7:25:20 PM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: rockabyebaby
....it serves them right.

Hey, look. My sister's in that, okay?

First, that's something you save up for the heart-to-heart with the hardcore hard-to-reach later on, when everyone is safe and dry and it's time to start talking about preparedness for the next hurricane.

Second, you DON'T tell people that when they're swimming in disease-ridden floodwaters with dead bodies and live cottonmouths.

Third, I don't appreciate your showing your butt crack on FR with the whole world watching.

That's enough for now.

Scripsi, scripsi.

"Lentulus Gracchus"

519 posted on 08/30/2005 8:10:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: rdb3

I realize that you are some sort of hotshot on FR, but it's time you address the pending question instead of pretending to be on some sort of moral high horse.

Did you not read that statement, or did you deliberately misrepresent what you knew to be my view?

In answer to your question, my alternative for the people is that I hope they have strong family, friends, neighbors, churches, and that the people of this country come together and give to charities that will help the people who need it.

I do not believe in tax dollars for generators, food, water, shelter, unemployment benefits, insurance deductible payments, gift certificates to Home Depot, or any other cash equivalent to individuals who have the terrible misfortune of being victims of a natural disaster.

Again, you seem to be of the ilk who believe that so long as a majority of Americans desire the President to take a certain course of action, he may and in fact should do so.

That is a democracy, and I want no part of it.


520 posted on 08/30/2005 8:15:54 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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