Missing Able Danger 'Atta' Chart in 2002 Video

NewsMax.com ^ | August 29, 2005  | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[justshutupandtakeit]

Not really since by the time Bush came in Able Danger was history and his administration was never briefed. Then the RATs delayed confirmations of top terror people and even the FBI chief had just taken over a week before 9/11.

This lies ENTIRELY upon Clinton and was no secret to FReepers. His destruction of National Security was devastating.

Of course the Traitor Media will try and blame Bush but it doesn't wash.

[kabar]

Did you see photos? I didn't. Just an organization chart with boxes and lines. Admittedly, it was at a distance.

[Wolverine]

Watch this beginning at about 30 minutes into video. SEE THE 'CHART' about ABLE DANGER!

[justshutupandtakeit]

Your last sentence is simply not true. This is JUST starting.

How were you able to re-watch that program and will it be aired again?

[small voice in the wilderness]

Hell, for all we know they could have typed in China as the parameter. And gotten back China.+ Chinese Food.+ Chinese Fried Rice.= Condoleeza Rice. Important information gleened is always in the eye of the beholder.

[Wolverine]

I saw the chart at a distance. It is enough for me!

[drjimmy]

OK. Is this the "reconstructed" chart or a copy of the original? Did Weldon mention Atta's name at this speech? Certainly Atta was known at the time and pointing him out on the chart would be a coup.

A little surprising it took so long for someone to ask the right questions. Read the lead paragraph of the Newsmax story again:
"A copy of the Able Danger chart that identified lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist operating inside the U.S. a year before the 9/11 attacks is clearly visible in a video of a 2002 speech by delivered by Rep. Curt Weldon to the Heritage Foundation."

Then read the third paragraph:
"Though Weldon never mentions Able Danger or Atta by name - and the video never zooms in on the chart to the point where Atta's photo is identifiable - it's clear from Weldon comments that the chart is the same one currently being sought."

Newsmax wants you to believe that the chart is the same one that supposedly had Atta's name and photo on it before 9/11. But in the chart shown in the video you can't see Atta's name or photo! Newsmax simply makes up the "fact" that the chart identifies Atta. If this is an exact copy of exactly the same chart created by Able Danger, it would actually tend to disprove Weldon's claim that Atta had been identified prior to 9/11.

[kabar]

Have you viewed the video?

[Sacajaweau]

Watch out for the "It's all about Atta". There were at least two others on that chart that were on the 9-11 suicide mission.

Atta had special skills via his Civil Engineering schooling....structural design, map reading etc. He is the man who could absorb and plot the course of the mission with Usama himself. It's what Atta and Usama had in common.

Atta was "obsessed", a real perfectionist" with an "I can do it better" than the 1993 Tower Dudes.

Wasn't Atta's plane the FIRST to make the "Perfect Hit"...which would not only leave a marker for the second plane but stimulate the others. Because of the "perfection" necessary for the first hit, he HAD to do it.

DC was different. Anyplace in DC in the Capitol Mall area would produce a disaster.

The plane that went down in Pennsylvania was to be the Final Blow. But the terrorists underestimated the "LOVE OF COUNTRY" by the people of the United States. Thank those folks everyday! Thank the fireman, policemen who went INTO the Towers and many other brave folks. ALL SOLDIERS FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!!!

[saveliberty]

:-)

[ebiskit]

Even my simple mind would have thought to MAKE A FREAKIN 'COPY' or 2 of the dang chart, even if doing breaks the law. . . Individual CYA supercedes the law.
Deets

[bobsunshine]

From the Video: I don't mean to embarrass this guy cause he's a good friend of mine. But I took a mini version of this chart in Nov. [2001] and I turned it over to him - Steve Hadley, who works directly for [then-National Security Advisor] Condi Rice."

It seems Weldon did make a copy or the one he has is a copy, just enlarged version for the speech.

[Dat Mon]

Jeeze...were jumping all over the place again.

Its simple...just this one aspect of the story anyway (but theres alot of aspects to this story)....

The CHART existed...multiple people corroborate it. It establishes that Able Danger worked...and worked quite well.

I would assume a COPY of THE CHART was given to the WH, certainly to HADLEY of NSC.

What happened to this copy, and why was this chart and Able Danger never mentioned in the commissions report?

What happened to the Able Danger PROGRAM, its background data, and its overall DOCUMENTATION, and in what TIME FRAME?

Start with those questions, and go from there.

Id like to see some Intelligence committee members start asking the same questions...apparently Senate may be starting to do just that.

[drjimmy]

Have you viewed the video?

Yes, about two weeks ago when the story about the Heritage Foundation event first came out. Despite Newsmax's "until now" claim, this isn't a new story. If you believe in the dictum to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer," you should make sure to read the liberal press and blogs as much as possible, like this from the Washington Monthly.

[ScaniaBoy]

The fact that Able Danger pinpointed Condoleezza Rice has been discussed and explained here.

Please, read the whole thread or at least the posts #162 and onwards.

[DelphiUser]

>>:-) Fair comment - programs will only do as they are told, and will do it exactly.

I learned a Poem in my first data processing class, well, to long ago:

I really hate this dumb machine,
I wish tat they would sell it.
It never does just what I want,
Only what I TELL IT!

Pet Peeve:
I really hate it when people say, "It was a computer error." Computers are not, and should not be decision makers. Therefore you cannot remove responsibility by assigning them the responsible position, What a cop out.

/ Vent

[Sacajaweau]

I'm sure there are several copies around. One MIGHT assume that every document in the National Archives or in any government agency is in one place and doesn't have a secondary or tertiary file. It's likely why Berger had to go back.

I also believe that people working on a project take documents home all the time. Weren't secret documents stolen from some government employee's car in NYC??

[kabar]

Weldon never made such a claim so whatever NewsMax might insinuate is beside the fact. If someone takes the time to view the video and hear Welson's presentation, he/she can draw their own conclusions.

From your link to the Washington Monthly:

As for Atta, is it really possible that Weldon put up a gigantic chart in front of a big crowd at a Heritage event for half an hour — along with the passionate claim that our intelligence agencies were completely inept for not acting on this information — but failed to mention that Mohamed Atta, the most famous terrorist of our time, was named on it? Furthermore, that no one at the event happened to notice Atta's name on the chart?

It is hard to disprove a negative. I don't know what was on this chart (Weldon said it was the unclassied version during his presentation), but the fact that two military members of AD and the contractor who supplied the photo state that MA's picture was on the presentation they developed for SOCOM is good enough for me. Anyone who has watched the video understands the context of the chart in Weldon's presentation. He never said it was the same one that was used for SOCOM nor did he go into any great detail on what was on it.

[Texas Songwriter]

I agree. Unless there is a side to Rice, which I don't believe exists, just working for Stanford shouldn't trigger any anxt. At the time she was not in government. She was an academic who was basically friends with the govenor of a southern state. Besides, as I understand her academic background, she is a soviet studies expert.