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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
NOAA - NHC ^ | 28 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/28/2005 8:10:23 PM PDT by NautiNurse

Extremely dangerous Hurricane Katrina is bearing down on the North Central Gulf of Mexico and New Orleans metro area. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin conceded that as many as 100,000 inner-city residents didn't have the means to leave and an untold number of tourists were stranded by the closing of the airport. At this hour, people are still filing into the Superdome after security screening for weapons and contraband. National Guard have brought in 360,000 MRE (meals ready to eat) to feed the estimated 30,000 storm refugees in the Superdome.

The following links are self-updating:

Public Advisory Currently published every 3 hours 5A, 8A, 11A, 2P, etc. ET
NHC Discussion Published every six hours 6A, 11A, 6P, 11P
Three Day Forecast Track
Five Day Forecast Track
Navy Storm Track
Katrina Track Forecast Archive Nice loop of each NHC forecast track for both three and five day
Forecast Models
Alternate Hurricane Models via Skeetobite
Bouy Data Louisiana/Mississippi

Buoy Data Florida

Images:


New Orleans/Baton Rouge Experimental Radar Subject to delays and outages - and well worth the wait

Mobile Long Range Radar Loop

New Orleans/Baton Rouge Radar

Ft. Polk, LA Long Range Radar Loop

Northwest Florida Long Range Radar

Storm Floater IR Loop
Storm Floater Still & Loop Options
Color Enhanced IR Loop

Other Resources:


Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12


Hurricane Wind Risk Very informative tables showing inland wind potential by hurricane strength and forward motion
Central Florida Hurricane Center
New Orleans Web Cams Loads of web cam sites here. The sites have been very slow due to high traffic
New Orleans Music Online Couldn't resist--love that jazz
Golden Triangle Weather Page Nice Beaumont weather site with lots of tracks and graphics
Hurricane City
Crown Weather Tropical Website Offers a variety of storm info, with some nice track graphics

Live streaming:

Fully-linked version of the live feeds (just in case a few people don't want to first open up WMP to cut-and-paste) -

WWL-TV/DT New Orleans (WMP) - mms://beloint.wm.llnwd.net/beloint_wwltv
WVTM-TV/DT Birmingham (WMP) - mms://a1256.l1289835255.c12898.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/

1256/12898/v0001/reflector:35255
WDSU-TV/DT New Orleans (WMP) - http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38202.asx
Hurricane City (Real Player) - http://hurricanecity.com/live.ram
ABCNews Now (Real Player) - http://reallive.stream.aol.com/ramgen/redundant/abc/now_hi.rm
WKRG-TV/DT

Mobile (WMP) - mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast

.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518 WDSU-TV/DT New Orleans via WESH-TV/DT Orlando - http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38843.asx

Category Wind Speed Barometric Pressure Storm Surge Damage Potential
Tropical
Depression
< 39 mph
< 34 kts
    Minimal
Tropical
Storm
39 - 73 mph
34 - 63 kts
    Minimal
Hurricane 1
(Weak)
74 - 95 mph
64 - 82 kts
28.94" or more
980.02 mb or more
4.0' - 5.0'
1.2 m - 1.5 m
Minimal damage to vegetation
Hurricane 2
(Moderate)
96 - 110 mph
83 - 95 kts
28.50" - 28.93"
965.12 mb - 979.68 mb
6.0' - 8.0'
1.8 m - 2.4 m
Moderate damage to houses
Hurricane 3
(Strong)
111 - 130 mph
96 - 112 kts
27.91" - 28.49"
945.14 mb - 964.78 mb
9.0' - 12.0'
2.7 m - 3.7 m
Extensive damage to small buildings
Hurricane 4
(Very strong)
131 - 155 mph
113 - 135 kts
27.17" - 27.90"
920.08 mb - 944.80 mb
13.0' - 18.0'
3.9 m - 5.5 m
Extreme structural damage
Hurricane 5
(Devastating)
Greater than 155 mph
Greater than 135 kts
Less than 27.17"
Less than 920.08 mb
Greater than 18.0'
Greater than 5.5m
Catastrophic building failures possible


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amscray; bugoutnow; getoutadodge; getoutoftown; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; katrina; katrinaandthewaves; lordprotectnoandla; nawlins; neworleans; tropical; walkingonsunshine; weather
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To: JeffAtlanta
You know, I'm not going to discuss this with you any more. I am certain the facts will come out after this is over. If I am overreacting, so be it; if the mayor and governor delayed too long, I am sure that will come out.

I am going to concentrate on news of the hurricane, and cease prolonging this argument. It isn't productive, and since we will not ever come to agreement, we are simply wasting bandwidth.

1,421 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:01 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You clearly don't get it. No other location is located in a bowl 8' below sea level.

A person exposed to 100 mph winds is going to just as dead as one underwater. Many of the areas you mentioned are going to suffer from wind damage and collapsed buildings themselves.

The bottom line is that evacuations are not as simple as many in this thread think they are. Remember, Rudy didn't evacuate NY, he just calmed them down.

This is once in a century type storm. If a storm like this had ever hit New Orleans before then it wouldn't still be there. This is just like the democrats saying that defending America from highjacked plane attacks should have been the first thing that Bush should have done. We know how ludicrous that sounds when we hear it, but many are doing that same thing tonight.

1,422 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:05 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: nopardons

Thanks very much! The feeling's mutual! :o) Will definitely keep you posted.

Tired now. Going to rest.


1,423 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:07 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Howlin

This is slightly off topic, but the one thing good to come out of all this hurricane coverage is that it has totally obliterated coverage of the Cindy Sheehan farce. Hahahahahahaha. This hurricane coverage will be going on for the next 2-3 weeks, to the exclusion of most everything else. If NO goes down the drain (pardon the pun), this hurricane coverage could go on for weeks. Buh bye, Cindy. Your days are numbered. Your caravan to Washington D.C. will be meaningless, subsumed by hurricane coverage. This one aspect of the all hurricane all the time on TV, is a delight. Can't think of a nicer person to have no coverage of from this point on.


1,424 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:44 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: Howlin
The same time it was annouced it was a CAT 3, it was announced it was heading for New Orleans.

Heard it here first! I turned the laptop around to my husband late Friday night, and said something along the lines of "Holy Crap."

It was extremely frustrating to watch this...almost like they couldn't believe it!

That said, from interviews I remember from other hurricanes that have threatened NO; many of the residents simply just DIDN'T believe it would ever happen. That applied to some of the elected officials, apparently.

1,425 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:44 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: don-o
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
1,426 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:47 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: JeffAtlanta

The general public with information probably made it out... if they had the means and mode. The highly transient population of NO, the population without means and mode (which would include accurate information sources) would not make it out... or even to shelter. The self sufficient, like the cajuns on the bayous, don't really worry me. It is the vulnerable, the weak of the population. For crying out loud, your position is not unlike saying bowel and bladder control is self responsibility. Tell that to a baby or senior who don't have the ability to self control. There might be diapers and depends, but do they have means and mode to access them?


1,427 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:47 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Calling illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest)
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To: aposiopetic

They should have tried harder to get more people out of the area...even if they only got out five busloads, it would have been something.


1,428 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:50 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: spunkets
Windmill power is proportional to V cubed.

Same as power required to push a car through the wind.

Car that takes 20hp to go 60 mph, takes 160hp to 120 mph.
1,429 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:53 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: BurbankKarl
...takes weeks to position things like that...and you have to know where the hurricane will hit

There's two ten car PLUS passenger trains that visit NO every day...the "City of New Orleans" (to Chicago) and the "Sunset Limited." (Jax to LA) There's 2o to 25 cars right there! However, it's not that easy, as Amtrak would have to drop off all the regular passengers, refund their money, put 'em in hotels...etc...so they could have empty trains for evac. (But if they used those 20 cars in an express shuttle service, to a location about 200 miles west of NO, it might be all they need...)

Also, if they had too, they could couple together those old streetcar/trollies they run up & down St. Charles Ave., and have a diesel pull them out of the station! The trollies use the same guage tracks as regular trains.

Not only could they save some people, they'd save the old trollies! I love those old NO street cars. Hope a few survive...

Also...off topic...does anyone outthere know what the fate of the animals at the Audobon Zoo will be? I doubt they have an evac plan for the animals. Only the gators will be able to rough this storm....

1,430 posted on 08/28/2005 11:11:59 PM PDT by Ronzo
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To: NautiNurse
I've got WWL streaming

Thanks. Must be my local conditions.

1,431 posted on 08/28/2005 11:12:00 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Prime Choice

Nighters--see you soon.


1,432 posted on 08/28/2005 11:12:12 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Cboldt
Oops - you are dead on. Power is force times distance per unit of time. But still my "force of my half-ton ass on the couch provides -no- power until the couch is broken" is true.

Yeah, you are correct and made a good analogy. However, having just gone through two acclerated physics classes this summer, I just couldn't let that little detail pass. :)

1,433 posted on 08/28/2005 11:12:14 PM PDT by thecabal
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Thanks for the info! It was amazing to see completely open roads on one side and the other side jammed with cars.


1,434 posted on 08/28/2005 11:12:19 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Prime Choice

God be with you.


1,435 posted on 08/28/2005 11:12:32 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Natchez Hawk

NHC center is now saying NOLA can exect hurricane from now until 3-6pm tommorrow(he actaully said for up to 18 hours but i just stated the obvious)


1,436 posted on 08/28/2005 11:13:14 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: JeffAtlanta
Do these people not have TV or radio? Why do they need to mayor to tell them to evacuate?

You obviously don't know what you're talking about; the people left in the center of New Orleans are the poorest, least educated people. They don't even have cars to leave with.

No preparations were made to evacuate them.

Of course, the mayor was busy helicoptering HIS family out of town.

1,437 posted on 08/28/2005 11:13:23 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

here is a car that just drove by the webcam on Bourbon St. It does not look like a cop car. (these people are nuts to be out driving around)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/bourbonstreetcam1.jpg


1,438 posted on 08/28/2005 11:13:29 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: garandgal

The leaders of NO are of the same quality as those who led France in 1940.


1,439 posted on 08/28/2005 11:13:30 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Natchez Hawk

NHC center is now saying NOLA can expect hurricane from now until 3-6pm tommorrow(he actaully said for up to 18 hours but i just stated the obvious)


1,440 posted on 08/28/2005 11:13:31 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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