Adam, Eve and T. Rex

LA Times ^ | 8/27/05 | Ashley Powers

[Crackingham]

Dinny the roadside dinosaur has found religion. The 45-foot-high concrete apatosaurus has towered over Interstate 10 near Palm Springs for nearly three decades as a kitschy prehistoric pit stop for tourists. Now he is the star of a renovated attraction that disputes the fact that dinosaurs died off millions of years before humans first walked the planet.

Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago, and later marched two by two onto Noah's Ark. The gift shop at the attraction, called the Cabazon Dinosaurs, sells toy dinosaurs whose labels warn, "Don't swallow it! The fossil record does not support evolution."

The Cabazon Dinosaurs join at least half a dozen other roadside attractions nationwide that use the giant reptiles' popularity in seeking to win converts to creationism. And more are on the way.

"We're putting evolutionists on notice: We're taking the dinosaurs back," said Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian group building a $25-million creationist museum in Petersburg, Ky., that's already overrun with model sauropods and velociraptors.

"They're used to teach people that there's no God, and they're used to brainwash people," he said. "Evolutionists get very upset when we use dinosaurs. That's their star."

The nation's top paleontologists find the creation theory preposterous and say children are being misled by dinosaur exhibits that take the Jurassic out of "Jurassic Park."

"Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark? Give me a break," said Kevin Padian, curator at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley and president of National Center for Science Education, an Oakland group that supports teaching evolution. "For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."

[RaceBannon]

Did you miss in Genesis where the Bible says it was ADAM that was created on Day 6, not Job?

Maybe thats why Job wasn't there...

In fact, not one man was there until day 6...Just like the Bible says, and that man was Adam.

In fact, what does it say is the day that creeping creatures were there?

DAYS after Genesis 1, right?

So, that is where dinosaurs came from.

[DefiantZERO]

You would find the Bible a lot easier to understand if you just accepted what it said instead of trying to make it say something it doesnt Summary: Don't think. Conform.

[sauron]

The word of God, which fools disregard, speaks of behemoth and leviathan.

According to my Amplified translation of the Bible, IIRC, they referred to the Hippopotamus and some other common creature. The whale, I think. Been a while.

To the ancient Jews, these creatures must have held mythical status.

Yes, I'm a Christian.

[sauron]

Then read Job about Leviathan: (Job 40:15 KJV) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. (Job 40:21 KJV) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. (Job 40:23 KJV) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

Leviathan is identified as the common hippopatamus in the Amplified study Bible.

Yes, I'm a Christian.

And Leviathan is the whale. Also in the Amplified version.

HTH.

[Manic_Episode]

Hippos don't have tails like a cedar, and whales don't have scales.

[docbnj]

Pterosaurs were reptiles, but not dinosaurs.

[balrog666]

Why wasn't this posted in the Religion Forum where it belongs?

[going hot]

Personally, I am all for equal time.
Each minister/pastor should be required -by law - to present evolution as a possiblility and discuss it in detail, every Sunday.

[Iscool]

Leviathan is identified as the common hippopatamus in the Amplified study Bible

Now why would God be concerned about killing a hippo???

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

In that day...And what day is that??? Leviathan is a crooked and piercing serpent...And he's a dragon...And he's in the sea...What sea is that???

What's that about the water that's above the heavons in Genesis??? Above the clouds, above the stars...

Don't believe in dragons??? I do...

[Iscool]

Why wasn't this posted in the Religion Forum where it belongs?

Why aren't you on a secular thread, apparently where you belong???

[RadioAstronomer]

Whoops, post 64 was to you as well. I got my own name in there by accident.

[Just mythoughts]

"Job 41:8

Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

Clearly in the present tense."


What is in present tense, remembrance of the battle or the do no more? When was the battle? Not talking about fighting dinos.

[RadioAstronomer]

Methinks somebody's time line is off a tad, like 160+ million years

Yup! :-)

(off by about 13 billion as well for the age of the universe)

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks, but I had decided not to respond to that post. You have a fondness for stepping in poo poo.

[RadioAstronomer]

"For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."

Best line this morning.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh but Peter through Scripture plainly shows there is a TIME difference. IIPeter 3 talks about three different Heaven/earth ages and even tells us how long a day was in the days of creation in the beginning.

Accept what? Christ said I have foretold you alllllll things. That would included whether or not the dinos were here upon this earth at the time of Noah's flood. Had they been here during Noah's Flood there would still be some here today.

We are told to rightly divide the scripture and from the beginning all things point to Christ and the adversary that deceived himself in to believing he was 'god'. Every positive has a negative and there is nothing new under the sun. We just are not allowed in this flesh to remember what was before man was created in the flesh, so says Solomon in Ecclesiastes.

Now you want to believe this earth is a mere 6,000 years old, have at it, it certainly won't be me changing your mind.

[IrishCatholic]

Fine. I agree with the dates. That isn't my point. You are the one missing the mark. "Moron" and "knuckle dragger" shows the lack of manners, class, and ability to form a reasoned, mature argument.
Science, by it's own definition, isn't capable of discussing a "Creator". That doesn't mean it isn't factual, or logical, or valid to believe in one. But I see no reason to degenerate into vile behavior in the defense of evolution because of that fact.

Also, Intelligent Design is not necessarily creationism. Connecting the two is not accurate. To persist in the connection is to lose all credibility.

[shuckmaster]

So you believe a dinosaur came along and drew up the Jordan river in his mouth? Sounds like fairy tale to me...

[Coyoteman]

IrishCatholic wrote:

Also, Intelligent Design is not necessarily creationism. Connecting the two is not accurate. To persist in the connection is to lose all credibility.

On another thread I responded to this quote with the comments below:

You'll find that the ancient Jews had, by far, the account that most closely approximates that of cosmogeny.

Most of the replies I receive to the "alternative" creation stories I post are similar to yours. They place the Hebrew creation story far above those of other cultures, so much so that it is different in kind, not just in degree.

This suggests to me that the ID movement is really about teaching the bible in public schools, not about ID in general--as that would embrace all of the alternative stories I post. But in fact, the stories I post are rejected by IDers.

It is beginning to look to me like the IDers method represents a Trojan horse.

This seems to answer your comment in part as well. I can't see how ID differs from CS except as a response to that Supreme Court ruling back in about 1987. The ID movement shows up very shortly after that.

[Oztrich Boy]

If humans aren't apes, why does Ken Ham look like Cornelius?