Adam, Eve and T. Rex

Then read Job about Leviathan:
(Job 40:15 KJV) Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

(Job 40:16 KJV) Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

(Job 40:17 KJV) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

(Job 40:18 KJV) His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

(Job 40:19 KJV) He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

(Job 40:20 KJV) Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

(Job 40:21 KJV) He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

(Job 40:22 KJV) The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

(Job 40:23 KJV) Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

(Job 40:24 KJV) He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

(Job 41:1 KJV) Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

(Job 41:2 KJV) Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

(Job 41:3 KJV) Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

(Job 41:4 KJV) Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

(Job 41:5 KJV) Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

(Job 41:6 KJV) Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

(Job 41:7 KJV) Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?

(Job 41:8 KJV) Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

(Job 41:9 KJV) Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

(Job 41:10 KJV) None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

Now, stop and answer me: What animal other than a large dinosaur like creature can be the animal spoken of here, these two?

Not one animal we see today can be either of these.

And 2 Peter 3 does not talk about time periods that prove evolution or anything like that.

Genesis doesn't have to be written as a science textbook, all it has to be is true.

The story of Creation is one of teaching us that there is a creator, and some small points on how He created, so that we realize that we are humans created specially by God, and therefore here for a reason.

Genesis does not have to be a science book to teach us the order of days that Creation was, nor does it have to be a science book to describe what came first, the chicken or the egg.

God made it clear in Genesis that we are specially created beings, that ALL life is specially created, and that therefore any attempts to infuse evolution into the argument is false.

And there is no twisting of the creation accounts between Genesis 1 and 2.

Genesis 2 clearly starts with saying that the creation is complete. Gen 2:4 is clearly spoken as a metaphor, while the days of Genesis 1 are CLEARLY added to with modifiers to make them known as single, 24 hour days.

Someone brought this up on another thread a couple days ago. Here was my response to him::

have no idea where you got that from, but here is what the Bible actually says in Genesis 2::

(Gen 2:1 KJV) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

(Gen 2:2 KJV) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

(Gen 2:3 KJV) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

(Gen 2:4 KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

(Gen 2:5 KJV) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

(Gen 2:6 KJV) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

(Gen 2:7 KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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Notice there is NO MENTION of the Creation days as singular events. It is an overview of the events written in a way that some scholars call the geneology pattern listing the origin of some kingdoms of the Mid-East (See Gleason Archer and others). Nor is there any mention of Adam being around before plants existed. In fact, Genesis 2:5 clearly says plants were there BEFORE there was a man.

The only way you can get confused is if you twist Gen 2:4, IN THE DAY.

WE USE THAT type of speech today, referring to In the days of Clinton, the Day of our revolutionary fathers and such, and we dont mean a single day, we mean a time period.

If a person just reads it plainly, like it was written to be read, it is obvious Gen 2:4 means a time period, not an individual day referring to the whole Creation week.

As for the lack of a literal day, if there was no literal day in the description of Evening, Morning, and then the term DAY, then we have no reason to believe any word day means a day.

The days of Genesis 1 are the most clearly defined 24 hour periods in the Bible, and it is only those who wish to do away with the meaning of the word day who try to say otherwise.

And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

You must observe what you are trying to say when you deny the days of Genesis 1 are not 24 hour days:
Day 1, the creation of the Heavens and the Earth took an undetermined time, possible what we would call a million years

day 2, the firmament separating the waters above from the waters below took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years

day 3, the creation of plants and herbs took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years

day 4, Stars, the sun and moon took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years
WHICH CAN ONLY MEAN GOD HAD PLANTS THAT WERE CREATED ON DAY 3 EXIST FOR MAYBE A MILLION YEARS WITHOUT SUNLIGHT, something we KNOW cannot happen today!

day 5, all the whales, the sea monsters, the birds, the fish took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years day 6, all the cattle, beasts including dinosaurs and cows, crickets and mice and MAN took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years day 7, God's REST took an indeterminate length of time, possible what we would call a million years

And what you need to notice, that order of Creation is DIFFERENT from an evolutionist order of events.

SO, if you call the Bible a lie because you dont want to believe the LITERAL DAY of Genesis::

And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

IF you dont believe that a DAY means a DAY when it clearly has modifiers next to the word DAY EXPLAINING it is a 24 hour day, then you have no reason at ALL to believe that the word day means a 24 hour period anywhere in the Bible.

You also call GOD Himself a liar, for GOD HIMSELF said 6 days was the length of Creation::

(Exo 20:8 KJV) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

(Exo 20:9 KJV) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

(Exo 20:10 KJV) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

(Exo 20:11 KJV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If the days were not LITERAL DAYS, then there was no reason for GOD HIMSELF to use the word DAY here, was there? You are calling God a liar when you do that...

10 Reasons Why the Six Days of Creation Were Literal 24 Hour Days
1. "EVENING AND MORNING"
God has carefully defined the word "day" by the expression "evening and morning." "And the _______________________
and the ________________________
were the first ________" (Genesis 1:5 and see verses 8,13,19,23,31).

There is something that every day contains: AN EVENING AND A MORNING!! How many days are represented below?

E-M-
E-M-
E-M-
E-M-
E-M-
E-M

_________ DAYS

Daniel 8:14 (according to the Hebrew text) says "Unto 2,300 evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." How many days is this? _________ DAYS. See also Daniel 8:26.

Every 24 hour day has an evening and a morning.
Does an AGE have an evening and a morning? _______ (a long period of time would have many, many evenings and mornings!)

An age may have a beginning and an ending, but it does not have just one evening and morning!!

2. Numerical Adjustive
God also defines the word "day" by putting a NUMBER before it: "And the evening and the morning were the ______________ day" (Genesis 1:5).
God tells us exactly what day it was. It was the FIRST DAY. See also Genesis 1:8,13,19,23,31 and Exodus 20:11 ("SIX days").

When a number comes before the word "day," it almost always refers to a literal 24 hour day. Compare Numbers 7:12,18,24,30,36,42,48, etc. Let us consider these examples:

a) We are living in the day of manned space flight. (Is this a 24 hour day?)
b) Have you learned in history class about the first day of manned space flight in1961 when a Russian cosmonaut became the first man to leave our earth’s atmosphere?
(Was this a 24 hour day?)
a) "I can remember the day when I was in the first grade." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
b) "I can still remember the third day of first grade when the teacher told me to stand in the corner of my classroom because I was not behaving." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
a) GENESIS 2:4—"in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens (How long was this "day"? – See Exodus 20:11)
b) GENESIS 1:31—"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Was this a 24 hour day?)
3. Day and Night
In Genesis 1:5 God has told us what happened on "the ___________ _______."
What kind of a day was this first day?
Was it an age?
In verse 5 God has said that this first day was made up of a period of light called ________ and a period of darkness called ______________.
So we know that this first day was a day-night period. DAY 1 of the CREATION WEEK was a period of 12 HOURS OF LIGHT and 12 HOURS OF DARKNESS.

DAY

(LIGHT)
NIGHT

(DARKNESS)

12 Hours
12 Hours

24 TOTAL HOURS = THE FIRST DAY!

How many days are represented above? ________

Every 24 hour day has a DAY (period of light) and a NIGHT (period of darkness).

Does an AGE have a DAY and a NIGHT? _________ (An age has many, many days and nights!)

4. The Fourth Day
Genesis 1:15-19 describes the fourth day of creation. In these verses the word "day" or "days" is used 5 times. Please match the following:

_____ Verse 14–"to divide the day from the night"
_____ Verse 14–"for days, and years"
_____ Verse 16–"to rule the day"
_____ Verse 18–"rule over the day"
_____ Verse 19–"the fourth day"
A literal 12 hour day

A literal 24 hour day

An AGE (a long period of time)

5. The Seventh Day
The seventh day was a 24 hour day also (Genesis 2:1-3).
On what day were Adam and Eve created (Genesis 1:26-31)? ____________________
Did God curse the earth on the seventh day, the day which He blessed (see Genesis 3:17-19 and Genesis 2:3)? ____
Did Adam and Eve live beyond the seventh day? _______
How old was Adam when he died (Genesis 5:4-5)? __________________
The seventh day was not a long age lasting thousands or millions of years. It was a 24 hour day just like the first six days.

CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS

6. The Fourth Commandment
The fourth commandment is found in Exodus 20:8-11 and in these verses the word "day" or "days" is used 6 times. To see how the word "day(s)" is used in these verses, please do the matching problem found at the top of page 35:

EXODUS 20

_____ Verse 8—"sabbath day"
_____ Verse 9—"six days"
_____ Verse 10—"seventh day"
_____ Verse 11—"six days"
_____ Verse 11—"seventh day"
_____ Verse 11—"sabbath day"
Literal 12 hour day(s)
Literal 24 hour day(s)
An age (a long period of time)

Notice in Exodus 20:11 that the number _______ is placed before the word "days" (see pages 32-33).

Your friend might say to you, "I worked on a paper for school and it took me six days to finish!" Do you think your friend meant days or ages? ______

How long did it take God to finish His work of creation (Exodus 20:11)? _____________________ Do you think these were 24 hour days? ________

In these verses we learn that God’s WORKING AND RESTING was to serve as a pattern for Israel’s WORKING AND RESTING. God told the children of Israel that He wanted them to work six days (Sunday through Friday) and rest on the seventh day (Saturday) because this was exactly what God did when He created the heavens and earth (Exodus 20:11).

If the days of creation were ages, then the WORK DAYS for the children of Israel must also be ages (if we are to be consistent). Can you imagine a hard working Israeli man coming home after a day’s work and collapsing in his wife’s arms, saying, "My dear wife, what a long and hard day of work I had! Today I worked 500 million years and I am really tired!! I can’t wait for the Sabbath to come so that I can rest!"

Of course, this would be ridiculous! This is what happens when a person tries to make DAYS mean AGES. It becomes silly. On the following page we will learn that DAYS (PLURAL) can never be ages.

7. Days (plural)
In Exodus 20:11 we are told that the LORD made everything in six days. The word "DAYS" is plural. When the word "day" is used in the plural (DAYS), it almost always refers to literal 24 hour days. The word "day" (singular) can be used of a period of time that is longer than 24 hours: "the day of the LORD" "The day of grace" "the day of trouble" "the day of modern science" etc. (see pages 31-32), but the moment a person speaks about DAYS (plural), he is talking about 24 hour days. Consider these examples:

How many days are there until your birthday?
It took the children of Israel 7 days to capture the city of Jericho (read Joshua chapter 6).
Mark 14:1–"two days."
Revelation 12:6 (the last half or the final 3½ years of the tribulation period).
Exodus 20:11—SIX DAYS.
8. The Basic Meaning of the Word "DAY"
We have already seen that the word "day" can be used to describe a 12 hour period of light (Genesis 1:5,14,16,18). The word "day" can also be used of a longer period of time (2 Peter 3:8-10; Jeremiah 30:7). But most of the time when we use the word "day" we are speaking of a 24 hour day. This is the normal and basic meaning of the word "day."

When we study the Bible we always should understand a word in its literal, normal, natural and basic meaning unless this meaning does not make sense. Here is our rule—If the basic sense makes good sense, then seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.

Here are some examples:

The basic meaning of "LAMB"—a four footed animal, a young sheep.
Does Isaiah 11:6 use the word according to its basic meaning? _____
Does John 1:29 use the word according to its basic meaning? ______
The basic meaning of "DOG"—a four-legged animal often used as a pet.
Does Luke 16:21 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______
In Philippians 3:2 and Revelation 22:15 is this word used according to its basic meaning? _______
The basic meaning of "BLOOD"—the red liquid in the veins and the arteries.
Does John 19:34 use the word according to its basic meaning?_______
Does Matthew 26:28 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______
Note: Roman Catholics have misunderstood this verse because they wrongly understand "blood" according to its basic meaning, and thus when they take the MASS they believe that the juice of the grape becomes the actual blood of Christ. Compare John 6:54 with John 6:40 where we see that eating His flesh and drinking His blood is equivalent to believing on Him.

Should we understand the days of creation to be literal 24 hour days (this is the basic meaning of the word)? Does this make good sense or does this make nonsense? Consider these questions:

Can an Almighty God complete His work of creation in 6 literal days? Is anything too hard for the Lord (Genesis 18:14)?
Could God have done this in one literal day? In one second?
Why did God do it in 6 days (Exodus 20:11)?
Did God need millions of years to make our world the way it is?
Does it make good sense to say that the days of creation were ages?
The only reason some people think they need to make the six days of creation long periods of time (ages) is because they feel they need to give the "god" of the evolutionists enough time to do his work. The god of chance needs plenty of time (see page 30)! He could never have done it in six days! In fact it is doubtful that he could have done it even if he had 6 quadrillion days (6,000,000,000,000,000)!

9. What did Moses Think?
Moses was the man God used to write the book of Genesis (Luke 24:27,44). Whenever you study the Bible you must ask yourself this important question: How did the original writer (in this case Moses) and the original listeners (the children of Israel) understand what was written?

Do you think Moses understood the days of creation to be long ages of time? Would the people who lived in the time of Moses have thought of these days as normal 24 hour days? Did they have any reason to think of these days as ages?

Moses and the people of his day believed that God began His work of creation on Sunday, created man on Friday and rested on Saturday. Do you believe what Moses believed?

10. Make Your Choice: Genesis or Evolution?
Some people believe that if you make the days of creation ages (long periods of time), then Genesis chapter 1 teaches the same as evolution. They believe that the order of events in Genesis 1 is the same order of events as given by the evolutionists. Let us see if this is really true:

Evolutionists say that the SUN came before the EARTH.
But God says the sun was made on DAY ______ and the earth was made on DAY _____. Therefore the earth is _______ days older than the sun!
Was there LIGHT even before the sun was made? _______
On what day was this LIGHT created? DAY _____

Evolutionists say that life must first begin in the sea (in the ocean). They teach that after millions of years some life forms eventually moved onto the land.
But God says life in the ocean appeared on DAY _______ and life on land first appeared on DAY ______ (plant life).
Thus, life on land appeared _____ DAYS before life appeared in the oceans (marine life).

Evolutionists say that reptiles came before birds (because they believe that birds evolved from reptiles).

But God says that birds were made on DAY ______
and land animals (which would included land reptiles) were not made until DAY ______.

Birds are _____ DAY older than reptiles!

Could birds have evolved from reptiles? ______

Certainly reptiles did not evolve from birds! (Not even the evolutionists would say this!).

The Bible says God made the birds and God made the reptiles. Reptiles did not precede birds by hundreds of thousands of years.

"Every thinking person knows that birds were created before reptiles, because that is what God has told us in His Word."

Evolutionists say that land mammals came before whales (because they believe that whales evolved from land mammals).
But God says that whales and other great monsters of the sea were created on DAY _____
and land mammals were not made until DAY _____.

Which came first, the whale or the pig? _________________

Do you think the whale has evolved from pig-like animals? ________

Therefore whales are ______ DAY older than land mammals!

For a land mammal to become a whale he would need to return to the water, lose his hair and grow about 50 times as big! Do you think this really happened? ______

A large elephant (the largest land mammal) weighs about 7 tons! A blue whale (the largest kind of whale) weighs about 150 tons! The whale did not evolve by chance; it was created by God!

Evolutionists say that plant life is impossible without insects because the pollination process (the way plants reproduce) requires insects such as bees.

But God says that insects (creeping things) were not created until DAY _____ and plant life appeared on DAY ______.

This means that plant life appeared _______ DAYS before insects.

Do you think plants and flowers could survive for 3 ages without insects? ______

Do you think plants and flowers could survive for 3 days without insects? _____

Evolutionists say that ape-like creatures came along thousands of years before man (because they believe that man evolved from ape-like creatures).

But God says that men and apes were both created on DAY _______.

Evolutionists say that the sun must have been here before life could begin (because they believe life began as the sun’s rays beat down upon the primitive oceans).

But God says that life (vegetation) appeared on DAY _____ and the sun was not made until DAY ______.
It is possible for life to begin without the sun but can life begin without the CREATOR? ______ Who is the source of life, the sun or the CREATOR (see Acts 17:28)? _______

Life owes its existence not to the SUN but to the SON OF GOD (see John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16).

Please indicate on which DAY of creation the following were made:

_______ Whales
_______ God rested on this day
_______ Fish
_______ The earth
_______ The stars
_______ Insects (bees)
_______ Land Reptiles
_______ Trees
_______ Flowers
_______ Monkeys
_______ The Sun
_______ Birds
_______ Elephants

_______ Man
_______ Sharks
_______ Light
_______ Dry Land
_______ Turtles
_______ Firmament
(an expanse of space)
_______ Eagles

You cannot listen to both God and the evolutionists! They do not teach the same thing! If Genesis chapter 1 is true (and it is!), then evolution is false.

If evolution is true, then Genesis chapter 1 is false, and the Bible is filled with errors.

But the Lord Jesus said that the Word of God is ___________ (John 17:17)
and we know that God’s Word is __________ from the ___________________ (Psalm 119:160).

Who should you believe — the CREATOR or the evolutionists?

Will you put your faith in the false god of the evolutionists who needs billions of years to do his work, or will you put your faith in an Almighty Creator who can create all things in 6 DAYS?

As you observe and study the world around you, you will discover that all the true facts of science and all the true laws of science agree perfectly with the Bible and with the book of Genesis!

Do you think it is possible for BOOK 1 (God’s revelation in nature) to contradict BOOK 2 (God’s revelation in His Word)? _______ (see pages 14-21).
Who wrote Book 1? __________
Who wrote Book 2? _____________

God is the Author of both! This is why both books say the same thing. And both books point to the greatness of the C________________, who is blessed forever, Amen (see Romans 1:25).

Sad to say, the books that the evolutionists write often do not agree with the true facts of science and they certainly do not agree with God’s Word the Bible! CHOOSE you this day! (See Joshua 24:15.)
Choose the true God of creation or the false God of the evolutionists (the God of chance)!

The Creation may not be told as a science textbook, but they are still told as literal truth.

Also, you have to read more authors to find this out, the style of writing, by telling a story through two versions of events with both containing the same facts but told with different view points, is a common old age style of story telling. (I loaned someone the book, "The Genesis Flood", so I cant tell you what that was called!) You should also become familiar with the creation accounts of other religions, and you wil see that the Bible is the only one that makes sense. How does it make sense that the billions of heavenly bodies, (some of which very possibly hosting life more advanced than ours) were all created in 6 of our days at some point a few thousand years ago? This completely ignores volumes of contrary evidence.

Where is the real evidence that stars are older than one another?
Where is the evidence that any life exists anywhere else in the Universe?
Please re-read the law of bio-genesis, Life only occurs where life already was.
It is only the theory of evolution that 'proves' any points.

The Bible never said the Earth was the center of the universe, It is a false assumption, like "When did you stop beating your wife?".

As for the supposed six stages of creation, people are trying to reconcile evolutionary thought with Scripture, and they dont mix.

Here's an example: Evolution says the first thing there was was a mass that exploded in what we call the big bang. No stars, just helium and hydrogen gas after this, with Stars forming slowley after this, right? What does Genesis say?

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This is clear, the Earth came first, not the big bang.

Next, according to evolution, what came next?
Masses clumping together?
Forming stars?
Rough edges of solar systems?
Clumps of matter with clouds of matter surrounding them that eventually cool to become planets a comets and stuff?

What does Genesis say?
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Here we see that the Earth was fully formed and plants were brought out. Notice something here, THERE IS NO SUN YET, NOR STARS, NOR A MOON..

Next, evolution says the suns stabilized in output, all extra material was blown away by the solar winds, and the planets were left to cool from the molten mass they once were, volcanic eruptions occuring for millenia until the system reached some sort of equilibrium, and somehow life appeared.

What does Genesis say? Remember, life already appears because God put it there, all plants, theoceans were alread formed remember:

14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17: And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18: And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Sun and Moon and Stars weren't until the day 4!!!! The Earth was already here!! There was already light from something, what I can't say, but it was already there, yet we had a planet with no sun or stars till day 4. Sort of makes the Creation/Evolution attempts of mixture nothing but a sham at this point, because it says both versions are wrong, neither have the right order or cause or purpose.

Evolution says that some form of life grew in a puddle of something, and that first life grew, how we have no evidence of, but somehow became something else to make all life on Earth.

Genesis says this though:
20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

All those creatures all at once, done in one day, and evening and a morning, a 24 hour period, not millions of years, including whales and large sea creatures. Evolution says that whales came from the sea to become a cow like creature and then went back into the ocean. God said he made them whales right from the start. Who is lying? God?

Evolution then says that creatures continued to evolve, and that man came from a ape-like creature. Since if we saw it, we would call it an ape, I am going to say, evolution says we came from apes!

Genesis says:
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thats where we begin, and thats where we end. You see? Thoses ages people claim to believe in, have no bearing in science, nor is there any evidence in Scripture. The creation account is not the same order of evolution, so one has to be wrong. I believe in Scripture!

I pity you and clemenza. What does it matter that people believe this? Why does it offend you? Who cares if it does? By what special office do you heap derision on what others believe? If you think they are wack jobs just let it go. For many fundamentalist Christians it is an article of faith. So who are you to denigrate someone's faith?
I have a friend at work that believes this. While I debate him I am very careful to not do anything that would weaken his faith. (Not only is it good manners, it is the right thing to do)It is possible to argue a point without destroying or ridiculing the other person's belief system.
The evolution pings do nothing to advance your cause any more than the neo-confederates advance theirs with their 'South will rise again' dixie pings. The both of you are the uglier side of Free Republic.
If you want to promote evolution as the scientific basis for the origin of the species and the way life forms change, then why don't you post and promote arguments to educate, and leave the name calling behind. Maybe I should change my tag line to: "No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Evolution ping, it's the same thing." Seems the tactics are similar. You guys should be better than that.

I pity you and clemenza. What does it matter that people believe this? Why does it offend you? Who cares if it does? By what special office do you heap derision on what others believe? If you think they are wack jobs just let it go. For many fundamentalist Christians it is an article of faith. So who are you to denigrate someone's faith?

Not denigrate. You are missing the mark here. We (I am including PH here) do not want religion taught as science in the classrooms. The universe is around 13 billion years old, the Earth is around 4.5, and evolution really did happen. Teaching otherwise in a science class is a moral crime IMHO.

"How can without form and void equal dinosaurs with form and not void?"

Could you please rephrase this question?

THINK about it, something, an event occurred that caused this earth to LOOOOOOOK like it does today for the "most" part. Now if those dinos were created in the days of creation then Noah would have been obligated to place them upon the ark as the Flood was NOT about destroying animals.

T-Rex did not come in and pollute the Garden of Eden, and NOT one word is mention about dinosaurs being created is given during these days. Yet we find their tracks and their fossils and there has been NO human skeletons that match the same time period as these dinosaurs.

The creatures created in the creation were placed under flesh man's dominion, and nobody ever tamed and rode a T-Rex.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

This is a declaration, gives NO time, when it happened or how long this TIME lasted. What follows is the pointing out and the description of what happened NEXT.

When do you think the souls were created, or do you think the Heavenly Father has a soul manufacturing plant in heaven?

Jeremiah was told he was known before he was placed in his mother's womb, Jacob and Esau were said of that Jacob I loved and Esau I hated before they were ever born, a history before birth in the flesh????

Goodness, it is obvious from what yuou asked

you tried to state something like the GAP Theory, trying to say that the dinosaurs lived between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2

If the Earth was without form and void, where were the dinosaurs with form and not void?

And, YES, Noah did put Dinos on th Ark. Go back and read Job, I posted the verses. There is no animal like Behometh and Leviathan today that fits that description, only something as large as the ancient dinosaurs fit that description.

And there is no need for dinosaurs to be named by the names we know them, but the same simple description of animals that we call dinosaurs is identical in basic description of any other animal we have today.

(Gen 1:20 KJV) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

(Gen 1:21 KJV) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

(Gen 1:22 KJV) And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

(Gen 1:23 KJV) And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

(Gen 1:24 KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

(Gen 1:25 KJV) And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Creeping things, flying things, that can be any animal, whether dinosaur or rodent.

Nor do you have an evidence man never tamed T-Rex.

And today, NO ONE tames a blue whale or a Rhino or a Grizzley, either, so that analogy fails in logic.

This is a declaration, gives NO time, when it happened or how long this TIME lasted. What follows is the pointing out and the description of what happened NEXT.

Wrong, the Bible clearly states that there was EVENING and MORNING:THE FIRST DAY.

THE FIRST DAY.

Now, go back and read it again. Too many people read the Bible and try to put a belief into what they read, instead of letting what it says teach them what to believe.

Did you miss the question that the Heavenly Father asked Job, WHERE were you when I did alll this????

Biological macroevolution has never been observed. It has not been repeated. It has not been measured. It is presupposed, and all evidence read in its framework and twisted to bolster it. Proponents are reduced to flinging arrogant insults (like "moron") at dissenters. Why?

Good point. We've never seen macro- continental drift, either. We can measure micro- continental drift, but what's the proof that that's the same thing?

You skipped a whole lot of instruction.

Genesis 1:2 "AND" (a word of continuation connecting to the declaration of Genesis 1:1) 'was' is nicely planted here when it should actually be "BECAME" without form, 'and' void; 'and' darkness was upon the face of the deep.

"And" the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters".

A flood, what a flood we got the Spirit moving upon the face of the waters and it is not talking about Noah's Flood.

Genesis 1:3 "AND" God said, "Let there be light:" and there was light.

4. "AND" God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Now it does not say God created the Sun and the Moon now does it. So what would cause there to be NO light upon this earth. What would cause this earth to be dark. Because what took place was a division of something that gave light.

"You DO not start with chaper 40 or 41 to get the WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE and WHY of things."

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Sure you do, just as Jesus himself does here when he quotes Exodus 3:6"

Matthew 20:29-32

29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Job 40-41 clearly contradicts your entire premise, just as Exodus 3:6 clearly contradicts the pharisees premise.

What does it matter that people believe this? Why does it offend you? Who cares if it does? By what special office do you heap derision on what others believe?

CS/ID folks are seeking to have their belief mandated by law (e.g., Kansas). That's why it matters to scientists! We were perfectly happy to work with our books and theories and keep to ourselves in the realm of science, but the CS/ID folks started launching these unfounded attacks. Now they are offended that we fight back? Gimmi a break!

Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago

I have worked with a number of archaeological sites older than 6,000 years. Haven't seen a dinosaur bone yet! Neither have any of my colleagues. For something so big they sure can hide well!

(Methinks somebody's time line is off a tad, like 160+ million years.)

Wait a minute, you skip where the Heavenly Father steps in and starts talking to Job and then accuse me of being a "pharisees"?

Maybe God thought they were roughing all the other animals up too much, and put them on a second Ark that he sunk with a loud "Gotcha!!"?

No light comes from the moon..

Not at all. I was just using Jesus example of how to quote scripture. You seemed to imply I was using Job out of context. If I was then Jesus was using Exodus out of context.

Back to Job.

Job 41:8

Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

Clearly in the present tense.

You keep asking for stuff that is already there

And, by the way, you had to humanly insert a time period, because Scripture shows there is no time period between day one and day 2 except for the evening and morning..

You would find the Bible a lot easier to understand if you just accepted what it said instead of trying to make it say something it doesnt

Who said it did?

16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night

It doesn't say God made one great light and a big hunk of rock to reflect it in case people wanted to stay out late.