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WWJA: Who would Jesus assassinate?
Townhall.com ^ | August 25, 2005 | Marvin Olasky (archive)

Posted on 08/25/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Liberal reporters since 9-11 have frequently equated conservative Christians with Quran-thumping Muslims, but the differences between the two religions are huge. For example, Islam initially expanded through the slaughter of opponents, but Christianity grew through the martyrdom of believers -- and the apostle Paul taught Christians in Rome, "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink."

Early this week, Pat Robertson, on his long-running TV show "The 700 Club," seemed more Muslim than Christian when he suggested that U.S. operatives assassinate Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Yesterday, he said he was misinterpreted and was suggesting kidnapping, not necessarily assassination, but he already had caused an international furor by using the A-word.

The televangelist should have remembered Spiderman's message that "with great power comes great responsibility." By his blurting, Robertson aided Venezuelan autocrats such as Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel, who sarcastically said that assassination advocacy was "very Christian" and went on to argue that "religious fundamentalism is one of the great problems facing humanity."

National and international journalists also played up the story, often treating Robertson as if he were the Protestant pope, as did some Islamic groups. Under a press release heading, "Pat Robertson's Fatwa," the Muslim American Society screamed that "someone should remind the darling of the Christian Right about the Ten Commandments. About the one that says 'thou shall not kill.' If that had been a Muslim cleric talking about killing a head of state, you would have never heard the end of it."

(Actually, Muslim clerics have done more than talk -- their fatwa followers have murdered intellectuals such as Faraj Foda, Hussein Muruwwa, Mahmoud Taha and Al-Sadeq Al-Nayhoum, and U.S. reporters have largely ignored that.)

None of these prudential concerns would matter much if Pat Robertson were biblically correct in calling for assassination -- but it's hard to see either general or specific biblical warrant for his fatwa. In general, as Paul wrote to Timothy, Christians are to pray "for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions."

Hugo Chavez is an evil tyrant, but so were many Roman emperors -- and Paul told Romans to "bless those who persecute you. ... Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all." Last time I looked, "assassin" was not on the general list of honorable callings. Wartime is different, but last time I looked, we weren't at war with Venezuela.

Applying Old Testament history to current politics is sometimes exegetically tricky, but the wartime assassinations in Judges 3 and 4 -- Jael hammering a tent peg into Sisera's brain, Ehud the left-handed man thrusting his sword into the fat belly of the king of Moab -- also do not provide warrant for taking out Hugo Chavez. Nor do any of Christ's words or deeds suggest a WWJA (Who Would Jesus Assassinate?) list.

The people most affected by last week's tempest, of course, were Venezuelans, one of whom wrote on www.worldmagblog.com of Chavez's demagoguery and election-rigging, but noted that "after decades of corruption and ignoring the needs of the poor, our country may deserve a leader like Chavez. The fact is that Venezuela needs revival; corruption ... is a way of life there. All potential leaders are corrupt, and we could end up with someone worse than Chavez. Pray for my people!" Prayer should also be for missionaries who now face greater danger.

God is the God of history. He raises up leaders and strikes them down. The Christian goal is to follow biblical principles, including "just war" ones, and not to create new orders. Christians who are careless bring dishonor to God's name by making many believe there is no difference between the pre-eminent religion of peace and the many religions of violence.


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>>>By his blurting, Robertson aided Venezuelan autocrats such as Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel,

This is why we can't become as bad as the left. Robertson reminds me of that author supporting Howard Dean who was flogging his book about a fictional assassination of our current President. We can't sink to the Howard Dean level. It is the job of The Conservative movement to principal first, because the Howard Deans of our world never will.

1 posted on 08/25/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM

And Robertson, being a Preacher, should not be calling for people's deaths, nor lying afterwards about what he meant.


2 posted on 08/25/2005 5:45:02 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: theDentist

Oh, you mean when he claimed that he really wanted to TAKE CHAVEZ OUT for a margarita? That amusing lie?


3 posted on 08/25/2005 5:46:24 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: .cnI redruM
Love the reference to "Spider-man philosophy" i.e. 'with great power comes great responsibility.

I think Robertson needs to read his Bible. 'No government is in power but by the will of God'.
4 posted on 08/25/2005 5:55:01 AM PDT by Mylo ("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: theDentist
...nor lying afterwards about what he meant.....you are so right. I think Pat meant it, and should have said so. If some mysterious bullet came out of nowhere and struck Chavez between the eyes, who here would be sad?...certainly not me. Chavez is a lunitic communist and will always be a problem as long as he is alive.
5 posted on 08/25/2005 5:56:00 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Islam and liberalism are terminal..)
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To: .cnI redruM

Actually, God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants, anytime he wants, for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all. Robertson, however, just has a big mouth and an empty head.


6 posted on 08/25/2005 6:00:09 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: .cnI redruM
Robertson was not talking about private citizens rebelling against the rulers of their nation, which was the thrust of Paul's remarks in Romans 13. Rather, he was stating that the United States government, through covert or overt means, should overthrow the Castro wannabe who rues Venezuela. Nothing in Scripture precludes the actions of nations engaging in defensive measures against their enemies. David respected the fact that Saul was the anointed king of Israel, refusing to kill him despite having two opportunities to do so. However, David did not hold back from attacking the enemies of Israel, including their rulers.

Christian theologians, both Catholic and Protestant, have elaborated on the justification for war. Thomas Aquinas, for instance, wrote extensively on the concept of just war. The thrust of their writings is that, while Christians should desire peace and avoid conflict, circumstances exist where war is justified.

Hugo Chavez is an enemy of the United States who is the ruler of a nation that provides one tenth of America's oil. He is an ally of every Communist and Muslim extremist tyrant on this planet. Chavez has provided financial support for terrorist groups, including Al Qaida, implicated in the murderous actions of September 11, 2001. He aids attempts by narcoterrorist groups to overthrow the government of neighboring Columbia.

Better covert action in 2005 than a ground war involving American troops in 2015.

7 posted on 08/25/2005 6:00:46 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Mylo
For the record I do not listen to Robertson or watch his show. I am a Christian but do not belong to a denomination.

I think Robertson needs to read his Bible. 'No government is in power but by the will of God'

This statement is true, however Hitlers power was from God but he was judged and destroyed by the US, who I believe God used to take him down. The same goes for Noreiga, Saddam and Gorbachev. Just because God sets a gov't up doesn't mean he wont use another man or country to take it down by force.

I would support the assassination of Chavez or the arrest and humiliation ala Noreiga. I don't believe Reagan or even Bush 1 would allow Chavez to remain very long in our hemisphere.

8 posted on 08/25/2005 6:03:00 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Brilliant
>>>>God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants

That was pretty much my take on a lot of the OT.

However, my take on the NT, was that Pat Robertson wasn't the guy appointed God's own messenger and then invited to ascend. Pat needs to go back and review some basic theology IMHO.
9 posted on 08/25/2005 6:04:12 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: Brilliant
God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants, anytime he wants, for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all.

I would say God has the power but not the right to do so. Kind of like jury nullification. A jury has the power but not the right to declare someone not guilty (for whatever reason it wants or for no reason at all) whom it actually believes is guilty.
10 posted on 08/25/2005 6:04:31 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: .cnI redruM
Pat's entitled to his opinion, but he is also entitled to the fallout from his opinion.

I only got mad at him for his weasly waffling afterwards.

11 posted on 08/25/2005 6:04:44 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Yup. I would not lose a teardrop. But in regards to Pat, this does not help him or the cause of Christianity. It lowers him to the level of a Muslim Cleric (Al-Sadr, perhaps). He should have voiced that privately, but publicly doesn't help anyone. And if a CIA plot was in the works....


12 posted on 08/25/2005 6:05:44 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: theDentist
nor lying afterwards about what he meant.

He didn't lie, he just said it all depended on the meaning of "it". ;)
13 posted on 08/25/2005 6:07:14 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: normy

I stated in an earlier post on this same subject, that you should never apologise when you are right.

Kennedy screwed up when he lost his nerve at the Bay of Pigs, and George Bush should have forced Chavez out when he had the chance. Now we have Castro and Chavez as a result.


14 posted on 08/25/2005 6:07:30 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Wallace T.
Before quoting Saint Thomas Aquinas in support of Petulant Pat, I'd review the history of what happened to the Chech Jewish population AFTER they succeeded in assassinating Ostengrupenfurher Heydritch. Heydritch deserved to eat the .556 round like no one in Germany other Der Furher. However, the retribution let loose for that assassination was monumental and profoundly tragic.
15 posted on 08/25/2005 6:08:09 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: Mylo
What horsefeathers. Next you can explain that we should sit still for the Holocaust because it is the will of God, too. Fatalism is a philosophy for the weak and the dead.
16 posted on 08/25/2005 6:08:49 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: sgtbono2002
...and George Bush should have forced Chavez out when he had the chance.

When did he have the chance?
17 posted on 08/25/2005 6:09:03 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Mylo
Were the United States and the Allies then wrong in demanding unconditional surrender of the German and Japanese governments during World War II? What about the Irish overthrowing British rule of their nation in the 1920s, or the Eastern Europeans rising against their Soviet masters in 1989 and 1990? The admonition against rebellion that you allude to is found in Romans 13 specifically addresses private rebellion against rulers. It does not cover relations between one nation and other countries. David made war on the nations hostile to Israel, yet he was called a man after God's heart in Scripture.
18 posted on 08/25/2005 6:09:13 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: .cnI redruM

Good article, better headline. WWJA.... LOL!


19 posted on 08/25/2005 6:10:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: .cnI redruM
I have refrained from commenting on this whole Pat Robertson affair, in part to learn more, and in part because I do not want to carelessly be critical. However, I have now seen the video clip of Roberston's comments. His comments were unequivocal.

I have been struck by the fact that Pat Robertson may not have a significant depth of faith in the living God. Surely it is God who lifts up rulers, and surely it is God who removes them. God does not need a man to remove another from office. God is sovereign and will do as He chooses. Therefore, if Robertson believes in the sovereign power of God he would not be calling for assassinations or for kidnappings, rather, he would be praying to the Almighty to change Chavez' heart.
20 posted on 08/25/2005 6:11:31 AM PDT by Obadiah
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