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WWJA: Who would Jesus assassinate?
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| August 25, 2005
| Marvin Olasky (archive)
Posted on 08/25/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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>>>By his blurting, Robertson aided Venezuelan autocrats such as Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel,
This is why we can't become as bad as the left. Robertson reminds me of that author supporting Howard Dean who was flogging his book about a fictional assassination of our current President. We can't sink to the Howard Dean level. It is the job of The Conservative movement to principal first, because the Howard Deans of our world never will.
To: .cnI redruM
And Robertson, being a Preacher, should not be calling for people's deaths, nor lying afterwards about what he meant.
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posted on
08/25/2005 5:45:02 AM PDT
by
theDentist
(The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
To: theDentist
Oh, you mean when he claimed that he really wanted to TAKE CHAVEZ OUT for a margarita? That amusing lie?
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posted on
08/25/2005 5:46:24 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
To: .cnI redruM
Love the reference to "Spider-man philosophy" i.e. 'with great power comes great responsibility.
I think Robertson needs to read his Bible. 'No government is in power but by the will of God'.
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posted on
08/25/2005 5:55:01 AM PDT
by
Mylo
("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
To: theDentist
...nor lying afterwards about what he meant.....you are so right. I think Pat meant it, and should have said so. If some mysterious bullet came out of nowhere and struck Chavez between the eyes, who here would be sad?...certainly not me. Chavez is a lunitic communist and will always be a problem as long as he is alive.
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posted on
08/25/2005 5:56:00 AM PDT
by
B.O. Plenty
(Islam and liberalism are terminal..)
To: .cnI redruM
Actually, God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants, anytime he wants, for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all. Robertson, however, just has a big mouth and an empty head.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:00:09 AM PDT
by
Brilliant
To: .cnI redruM
Robertson was not talking about private citizens rebelling against the rulers of their nation, which was the thrust of Paul's remarks in Romans 13. Rather, he was stating that the United States government, through covert or overt means, should overthrow the Castro wannabe who rues Venezuela. Nothing in Scripture precludes the actions of nations engaging in defensive measures against their enemies. David respected the fact that Saul was the anointed king of Israel, refusing to kill him despite having two opportunities to do so. However, David did not hold back from attacking the enemies of Israel, including their rulers.
Christian theologians, both Catholic and Protestant, have elaborated on the justification for war. Thomas Aquinas, for instance, wrote extensively on the concept of just war. The thrust of their writings is that, while Christians should desire peace and avoid conflict, circumstances exist where war is justified.
Hugo Chavez is an enemy of the United States who is the ruler of a nation that provides one tenth of America's oil. He is an ally of every Communist and Muslim extremist tyrant on this planet. Chavez has provided financial support for terrorist groups, including Al Qaida, implicated in the murderous actions of September 11, 2001. He aids attempts by narcoterrorist groups to overthrow the government of neighboring Columbia.
Better covert action in 2005 than a ground war involving American troops in 2015.
To: Mylo
For the record I do not listen to Robertson or watch his show. I am a Christian but do not belong to a denomination.
I think Robertson needs to read his Bible. 'No government is in power but by the will of God'
This statement is true, however Hitlers power was from God but he was judged and destroyed by the US, who I believe God used to take him down. The same goes for Noreiga, Saddam and Gorbachev. Just because God sets a gov't up doesn't mean he wont use another man or country to take it down by force.
I would support the assassination of Chavez or the arrest and humiliation ala Noreiga. I don't believe Reagan or even Bush 1 would allow Chavez to remain very long in our hemisphere.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:03:00 AM PDT
by
normy
(Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
To: Brilliant
>>>>God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants
That was pretty much my take on a lot of the OT.
However, my take on the NT, was that Pat Robertson wasn't the guy appointed God's own messenger and then invited to ascend. Pat needs to go back and review some basic theology IMHO.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:04:12 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
To: Brilliant
God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants, anytime he wants, for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all.
I would say God has the power but not the right to do so. Kind of like jury nullification. A jury has the power but not the right to declare someone not guilty (for whatever reason it wants or for no reason at all) whom it actually believes is guilty.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:04:31 AM PDT
by
BikerNYC
To: .cnI redruM
Pat's entitled to his opinion, but he is also entitled to the fallout from his opinion.
I only got mad at him for his weasly waffling afterwards.
To: B.O. Plenty
Yup. I would not lose a teardrop. But in regards to Pat, this does not help him or the cause of Christianity. It lowers him to the level of a Muslim Cleric (Al-Sadr, perhaps). He should have voiced that privately, but publicly doesn't help anyone. And if a CIA plot was in the works....
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:05:44 AM PDT
by
theDentist
(The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
To: theDentist
nor lying afterwards about what he meant.
He didn't lie, he just said it all depended on the meaning of "it". ;)
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:07:14 AM PDT
by
Quick1
To: normy
I stated in an earlier post on this same subject, that you should never apologise when you are right.
Kennedy screwed up when he lost his nerve at the Bay of Pigs, and George Bush should have forced Chavez out when he had the chance. Now we have Castro and Chavez as a result.
To: Wallace T.
Before quoting Saint Thomas Aquinas in support of Petulant Pat, I'd review the history of what happened to the Chech Jewish population AFTER they succeeded in assassinating Ostengrupenfurher Heydritch. Heydritch deserved to eat the .556 round like no one in Germany other Der Furher. However, the retribution let loose for that assassination was monumental and profoundly tragic.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:08:09 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
To: Mylo
What horsefeathers. Next you can explain that we should sit still for the Holocaust because it is the will of God, too. Fatalism is a philosophy for the weak and the dead.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:08:49 AM PDT
by
JasonC
To: sgtbono2002
...and George Bush should have forced Chavez out when he had the chance.
When did he have the chance?
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:09:03 AM PDT
by
BikerNYC
To: Mylo
Were the United States and the Allies then wrong in demanding unconditional surrender of the German and Japanese governments during World War II? What about the Irish overthrowing British rule of their nation in the 1920s, or the Eastern Europeans rising against their Soviet masters in 1989 and 1990? The admonition against rebellion that you allude to is found in Romans 13 specifically addresses private rebellion against rulers. It does not cover relations between one nation and other countries. David made war on the nations hostile to Israel, yet he was called a man after God's heart in Scripture.
To: .cnI redruM
Good article, better headline. WWJA.... LOL!
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:10:01 AM PDT
by
r9etb
To: .cnI redruM
I have refrained from commenting on this whole Pat Robertson affair, in part to learn more, and in part because I do not want to carelessly be critical. However, I have now seen the video clip of Roberston's comments. His comments were unequivocal.
I have been struck by the fact that Pat Robertson may not have a significant depth of faith in the living God. Surely it is God who lifts up rulers, and surely it is God who removes them. God does not need a man to remove another from office. God is sovereign and will do as He chooses. Therefore, if Robertson believes in the sovereign power of God he would not be calling for assassinations or for kidnappings, rather, he would be praying to the Almighty to change Chavez' heart.
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posted on
08/25/2005 6:11:31 AM PDT
by
Obadiah
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