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A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....08-24-05....Hagel says no timetable for the pull-out..
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Posted on 08/24/2005 9:44:32 PM PDT by dutchess



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Hagel says no timetable for pull-out of foot from mouth

by JohnHuang2



In his big speech Monday before a gathering of veterans in Utah, the President minced no words regarding the enemy. "They have a strategy, and part of that strategy is they're trying to shake our will," Bush told the convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars. The enemy would love nothing more than to see America and her allies intimidated. The goal of the enemy is achieving absolute power. Theirs is "a dark vision that rejects freedom and tolerance and dissent." Theirs is "a hateful ideology that despises everything America stands for."
But enough about the Democrats. Over on the other side of the aisle, GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel, long-time critic of the Iraq war, in a stunning shift Sunday, criticized the Iraq war. "I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East," he said. Leave it to the neocon/AEI/PNAC/BFEE crowd to screw things up. Gone is that wellspring of peace and stability in the region, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, who only invaded two countries and killed no more than a million people.


Now Libya's out of the WMD bidness, Syria's out of Lebanon, Egypt is having contested elections, Palestinians are having contested elections and pressure mounts to plunge the whole region into freedom. So many dominoes falling. If only Saddam were still president.



Hagel, co-host every Sunday of CNN's Late Edition, NBC's Meet the Press, CBS's Face the Nation and ABC's This Week, told ABC's This Week that he thinks Iraq is looking more and more like the Vietnam war. Obviously a clever ploy to lift morale. We're "locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," he said. Everything about this is just like Vietnam. Especially here at home. The similarities are glaring -- from the Smithsonian Institute dinosaur display outside Bush's ranch (featuring the long-necked, plant-eating folk singer, Joan Baez!), right down to those Vietcong flying planes into buildings in New York and Washington four years ago. And those annoying Ho Chi Minh Islamic terror cells are back on U.S. soil.
Today there's no draft, we've got a volunteer army, tens of thousands of soldiers haven't died in the "jungles" of Baghdad, "insurgent" attacks are focused in one area (near CNN cameras in Baghdad), Saddam's in prison awaiting trial, Zarqawi doesn't have "Soviet" support, U.S. forces in Iraq aren't besieged, U.S. forces in Iraq can move freely from "rice paddy" to "rice paddy" -- other than that, just like Vietnam!
In the idiotic Hagelian formulation, a war becomes Vietnam if the enemy strikes back. And if there are mounting casualties. The Allied invasion of Normandy was instantly Vietnam. The Battle of Iwo Jima was instantly Vietnam. Panama was Vietnam. Gulf War I was Vietnam. The Afghan campaign was Vietnam. Even Grenada was Vietnam -- for at least several days. Over a hundred U.S. soldiers killed or wounded in Grenada. Or, I should say, "murdered" by Ronald Reagan's 'neocon cabal' (See Cindy Sheehan). Busy week for the necon cabal. Even back then.
Hagel offers America a constructive alternative. It consists of "figuring out how we get out of there," then run for our lives. Then we'll be safe, and terrorists will love us again.

It won't work, but that's not the point. The point for Hagel is to get the media to love him. Even more than Vietnam. If grief gives Sheehan the moral authority to urinate on Casey's grave and dishonor his sacrifice (it doesn't), then Hagel's service in Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, the Spanish-American War, the Civil War, the War of 1812, etc., gives Hagel every right to sound like a talking anus on TV every Sunday. If trafficking in agitprop media droppings is your bag, have at it.
What combat experience does not automatically confer is military wisdom. Kerry's proof of that. Hagel's proof of that.
Again I give you Hagel, the grieving Senator: "We should start figuring out how we get out of there, but with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East." So let's stay the course and get out now, but we can't give up or get out now and "the longer we stay in Iraq, the more similarities" between Iraq and Vietnam. Hagel was on a roll.
He's against timetables, but the clown says we've already lost the war. We must keep losing until we win! As a big critic of the war, he voted for the war. This war is just like Vietnam, and I voted for it. Wonderful. It all makes sense now.
A year before 9/11, an explosion ripped a massive hole in the hull of a Navy Destroyer, the USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors, wounding 39 others. An al-Qaeda suicide attack. In 2000. Before Bush rejected Kyoto, so it couldn't have been that "root cause."
Four years after 9/11, in what the lib media calls a "new phase" by a more dangerous al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda launches a rocket attack against a U.S. warship docked in Aqaba, and misses. The "Katyusha rocket whizzed over the deck" of the USS Ashland, but ended up hitting "a nearby Jordanian military warehouse" (AP, 8/20). Not a single American casualty. Wow, some "new phase." Great Master Plan there, al-Qaeda! Working out real well.


The Cole bombing and the Aqaba rocket attack are bookends, in between are the Great Satan's Afghan and Iraq campaigns, landing Saddam in the pokey and binny in a burka hopping from mud hut to mud hut, cave to cave. Now, if you're a ratmedia liberal, and all you've got to work from is a steaming cowpie crammed in the tiny space between your ears, the Hagelian notion that al-Qaeda is winning makes sense. That's why you're not in charge. So, whatever you do, stay the course, liberals. Stay the course -- to ensure victory for Republicans in Nov. '06.

Anyway that's...
My two cents






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To: jwfiv; fatima; All
{{{{ Hugs, Johnny Fox! ]]]]

Fatima, tell Sarah she cannot have a double decker ice cream cone....yet..:)

All - will be back tonight.....

41 posted on 08/25/2005 11:57:56 AM PDT by LadyX ((( To God be all praise and honor and glory -- )))
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To: LadyX

Hi Lady. Weather in Philly has been wonderful. We are now waiting with bated breath for the rain.


42 posted on 08/25/2005 12:21:27 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: OESY

Hi OESY,How are you:)


43 posted on 08/25/2005 12:35:29 PM PDT by fatima (Just for our guys and girls,Thank you all the Military .Prayers.)
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To: GodBlessUSA
Hi, GBU - I don't mind you asking these questions at all. :)

You know how you turn off the table commands at the very end? Well you do that with each picture you 'frame'. If you put One table frame around a picture or however many you do, IMMEDIATELY after you do the img src command, you type (all) the table OFF commands:

<table border=4 (or whatever size)><tr><td>
<img src="http://whateveryourlink.jpg" width=(add the number) height=(add the number) align=middle>
</td></tr></table>

44 posted on 08/25/2005 2:38:42 PM PDT by Billie
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To: jwfiv
Wish Hagel would pull-out, withdraw and disappear ...whatta glory-hound ... whatta maroon ... vying for the top spot on Al Queda's list of American Idols.

Hi Johnny Mac....Hagel absolutely disgusts me too!!!! The guy is SO SO full of himself! Grrrrrrr!
45 posted on 08/25/2005 2:47:05 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: GailA

Hi Gail. I read about your shopping venture last week. I absolutely HATE the styles out now (well I actually HATE to shop anyway!) Have you ever gone into overstock.com.? Lots of links to discount clothes lines. I got a great "classic" suit with no problems at all. (is Rocky settling down any better????)


46 posted on 08/25/2005 2:50:07 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: DollyCali; Billie
Interesting the RED tie on GWB & the BLUE one on Hagel. Har... I am SURE you did that on purpose D!!!! Double eagle pledge - quite neat!

Gosh dolly, I didn't even notice the ties until you pointed them out!!! And the pledge is another billie creation!!!
47 posted on 08/25/2005 2:52:03 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: LadyX

Great Dear John letter today maggie. I LOVE it, Chuckie Cheese Hagel LOL! (((((maggie)))))


48 posted on 08/25/2005 2:53:48 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: dutchess; JohnHuang2

Another week, another winner from both of you! Wouldn't know what to think if the Sunday Talk Shows didn't favor those who opposed the President on Iraq, but it would be a nice change. :(


49 posted on 08/25/2005 2:55:24 PM PDT by Billie
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To: Just mythoughts

Hi Justmythoughts. Read your post about your father serving in Korea. Have you submitted his picture for the Military Monday thread????


50 posted on 08/25/2005 2:56:47 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: Mama_Bear; JohnHuang2
hi Lori!

Have I ever told you how glad I am you are on our side, JH2? I really, really am! :-)

Yes, we CERTAINLY ARE lucky to have John on OUR side! (plus, he's way to intelligent and logical to be a lib!!!)
51 posted on 08/25/2005 2:59:07 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: fatima

Oh fatima...baby sarah is absolutely precious!!!!! Thanks for posting the picture!


52 posted on 08/25/2005 3:00:50 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: phancypants

Hi phancypants. Haven't seen you in awhile. Hope all is well with you. Are you going to Crawford????


53 posted on 08/25/2005 3:02:58 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: GodBlessUSA

Hi GodBless. What a lovely table you created today. I AM VERY VERY impressed!!!!


54 posted on 08/25/2005 3:03:47 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: LUV W

Hi LUV. Now you know when you post, you can sign off with your new "signature" picture!!!! (we can never get enough of W here!!!!)


55 posted on 08/25/2005 3:05:05 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: OESY

Oh OESY...those doggie kiss pictures are so so sweet!!!!! There's nothing better than puppie kisses!


56 posted on 08/25/2005 3:06:42 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: Temple Owl

Hi Temple. We're having some great weather in Ohio too. Just a slight hint of fall. Cyber cheese on its way for Ink!


57 posted on 08/25/2005 3:10:00 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: Billie
Hi sistah! Thankfully I did not watch the Sunday Talk Shows this weekend. I KNOW my blood would be boiling!!!

Hope Roscoe is okay. I feel bad I hadn't asked about him. Have been VERY "distracted". Giz is just fine. No more signs of seizures...might have been a mild heat stroke but he's his normal Gizzy self! :o)
58 posted on 08/25/2005 3:13:35 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: dutchess
You know--I should have but I got in a big ole hurry and forgot! LOL! So....here!


59 posted on 08/25/2005 3:53:32 PM PDT by luvie (A BAD DAY FOR THE DIMS IS A GOOD DAY FOR THE COUNTRY!!!!!! GET CINDY OUTTA CRAWFORD!)
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To: dutchess

Hi there!

I've been really busy lately, but had to check in.

Yep, I am going to Crawford this weekend--we fly to Dallas tomorrow morning at 6:45--whew, an early one! But very much worth the trip.
Someone I held very dear gave his life for our country (he volunteered to go) in May of this year and for him, and all of the other heroes who have sacrificed, I feel compelled to go.

I'm sure it will be memorable!


60 posted on 08/25/2005 4:08:49 PM PDT by phancypants
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