Posted on 08/21/2005 1:18:04 AM PDT by MRMEAN
Compared with fields like genetics and neuroscience and cosmology, botany comes up a bit short in the charisma department. But when scientists announced last week that they had figured out how plants grow, one had to take note, not only because of the cleverness required to crack a puzzle that dates to 1885, but because of what it says about controversy and certainty in science -- and about the evolution debate.
In 1885, scientists discovered a plant-growth hormone and called it auxin. Ever since, its mechanism of action had been a black box, with scientists divided into warring camps about precisely how the hormone works. Then last week, in a study in Nature, biologist Mark Estelle of Indiana University, Bloomington, and colleagues reported that auxin links up with a plant protein called TIR1, and together the pair binds to a third protein that silences growth-promoting genes. The auxin acts like a homing beacon for enzymes that munch on the silencer. Result: The enzymes devour the silencer, allowing growth genes to turn on.
Yet biology classes don't mention the Auxin Wars. Again and again, impressionable young people are told that auxin promotes plant growth, when the reality is more complex and there has been raging controversy over how it does so.
Which brings us to evolution. Advocates of teaching creationism (or its twin, intelligent design) have adopted the slogan, "Teach the controversy." That sounds eminently sensible. But it is disingenuous. For as the auxin saga shows, virtually no area of science is free of doubt or debate or gaps in understanding.
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You left out the eule that says it's OK to beat a slabve to death as long as he lives at least 24 hours after the beating. You also left out the New Testament instructions to slaves to obey their masters, even when the masters are unjust.
But those passages might contradict your point, so you choose to lie by omission.
Not in the political sense that the Declaration promulgated.
What website is this? DU?
Here's a clue. If you can be jailed for criticising the government or for advocating a change in laws or leadership, you don't have it. If you can be summoned by people with police powers to answer questions about theories you have published, you don't have it.
I won't touch the irony of citing Thomas Paine.
Just weird.
I know, Wald was a flaming Socialist, maybe even a communist and he "hated" Israel - not bad for a Jew. However, the previous poster suggested that Wald did not support evolution and I know for a fact, from personal acquaintance, that he did. I admired his scientific mind, but very much disliked his politics. When he talked about vision and biology he was wonderful. When he talked about just about anything else he was, well, far from admirable.
I still can't type.
***Not in the political sense that the Declaration promulgated.***
Who give you your rights my friend?
When someone can explain reproduction in the context of evolution to me, I'll believe in evolution. How could incomplete structures reproduce? If there is one anomaly in either the male or the female reproductive system, there is no offspring, yet we are asked to believe that evolving man and woman were able to reproduce. I say that is impossible even with "billions and billions" of years.
You just won't answer the simple question. Name the Christian monarch who, based on the Bible, instituted individual liberty under the law. Why did it take folks like thomas Paine and a lot of ticked off people with guns to institute liberty under the law? Where is the Biblical injunction against owning slaves?
Why do you think I do it? LOL The real irony was his citing the Bible.
I don't see any great universal principle invoked to justify Exodus.
The "New" Creationism
By Robert Wright
Posted Monday, April 16, 2001, at 6:30 PM PT
"This time, though, the evolutionists find themselves arrayed not against traditional creationism, with its roots in biblical literalism, but against a more sophisticated idea: the intelligent design theory."—New York Times, front page, April 8, 2001
With this sentence, the newspaper of record has now granted official significance to the latest form of opposition to Darwinism. As the Times notes, adherents of "intelligent design theory" are doing what creationists have long done, such as trying to change public-school science curricula. But there's a difference: Instead of being a bunch of yahoos, they are a bunch of "academics and intellectuals" with new, "more sophisticated" ideas.
Two obvious questions: What is really new about "intelligent design theory"? And who are these "academics and intellectuals"? The answer to the first question—nothing of significance—is best seen by answering the second question.
The Times piece identifies three "intellectual fathers" of intelligent design theory: Phillip E. Johnson, Michael Behe, and William Dembski.
Intellectual father No. 1: Phillip Johnson, law professor. The Times says the movement's "manifesto" is Johnson's 1991 book Darwin on Trial. If true, this does not bode well for the movement. This book shows Johnson to be suffering from an elementary confusion about Darwinian theory.
Johnson notes, accurately, that species often go extinct because of what you might call bad luck, not bad genes. A meteor triggers an environmental cataclysm, wiping out thousands of species that, only the day before, seemed ideally suited to their habitat. Well, Johnson asks: If which genes perish is so often determined randomly, how could natural selection work well? Isn't the idea supposed to be that, while genetic traits are generated randomly, they are weeded out selectively, depending on whether they are "fit"?
That is indeed how natural selection creates "fit" organisms. But, according to modern Darwinian theory, most of the consequential weeding out doesn't happen conspicuously and suddenly, when whole species go extinct; it happens on a day-to-day basis within a species, as some individuals fail to spread their genes as ably as other individuals. So, even if every few hundred million years a meteor strikes, wiping out lots of well-adapted species, other well-adapted species remain, and the process of adaptation continues.
In short, Johnson wrote a whole book critiquing modern evolutionary theory without first mastering the basics of modern evolutionary theory. (I pointed out his fallacy in a New Yorker piece published a year ago—in fact, the above two paragraphs have a hauntingly familiar sound. I also argued in that piece that Johnson's confusion comes partly from reading Stephen Jay Gould—and that Gould's writings have aided and abetted creationism in myriad ways. But don't get me started on that subject.)
Intellectual father No. 2: Michael Behe, biochemist at Lehigh University. "One of the first arguments for design theory," according to the Times, is found in Behe's 1996 book Darwin's Black Box. Behe, says the Times, argues that various biochemical structures "could not have been built in a stepwise Darwinian fashion." For example, the mechanism for blood-clotting involves more than a dozen different proteins working together in complex harmony. Surely, Behe argues, the entire complex mechanism didn't spring to life from a single fortuitous mutation! So, Darwinians must contend that it was built by a series of mutations, and that each mutation, by itself, was useful to the organism. Yet, Behe insists, if you try to imagine these earlier, more rudimentary forms of the mechanism—lacking its full complement of proteins—you'll find yourself imagining a mechanism that wouldn't function at all.
The first thing to note about this "new" argument against Darwinism is that it is roughly as new as The Origin of Species. The classic formulation of Behe's question is: "What good is half an eye?"—and it was raised by Darwin himself, who then did his best to answer it.
Of course, it's a good question, a question that Darwinians should continue to struggle with (as they have), notwithstanding the inherent difficulty of discerning an evolutionary path that has been lost in the mists of prehistory. Still, there is nothing new about this basic question. It is straight out of Creationism 101.
Doesn't Behe deserve some credit for applying the question to new things—such as blood clotting? Sure. Such new applications can be productive. In this case Behe's probing led the Brown University biologist Kenneth Miller to show that, actually, there is a fair amount of evidence—in our species and others—suggesting how the blood clotting mechanism could have evolved incrementally. Unfortunately for Behe, Miller showed this in the course of a powerful critique of Behe's overall argument, in a chapter of Miller's book Finding Darwin's God. (For a book-length critique of the intelligent design movement see the philosopher Robert Pennock's Tower of Babel. For Behe's reply to Miller, see Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe, co-edited by Behe.)
Behe's (and Darwin's) basic question—What good is half an eye, or half an anything?—is now getting more tractable thanks to genome studies. For example, scientists have found a gene involved in eyesight that is shared by humans and one-celled creatures. Apparently, in one-celled creatures the gene confers nothing like vision, but does confer a vague sensitivity to light—thus showing that, actually, much less than half an eye can be good for something.
Incidentally, the first time I opened Behe's book, I came upon a major confusion about Darwinian theory—a confusion on par with, and in fact related to, the confusion of Phillip Johnson's described above. It's no wonder Behe can't imagine how natural selection could create complex things if he hasn't bothered to find out how natural selection is supposed to work in the first place.
Intellectual father No. 3: William Dembski, a mathematician at Baylor University. Dembski, according to the Times, has developed a "mathematical 'explanatory filter' that he asserted can distinguish randomness from complexity designed by an intelligent agent." And Dembski, applying this litmus test to organisms, finds them to fall in the latter category. Now this, unlike Behe's argument, does sound new. Is it significant?
First of all, devising a test that shows that organisms aren't randomly arranged molecules is a curious way to spend time. After all, no one ever said that natural selection produces random conglomerations of matter. Rather, it is said to produce complex, functional arrangements of matter. In fact, according to evolutionary biologists, it produces arrangements that look for all the world as if they were composed by an intelligent designer. So, even if Dembski does have some test that can determine whether a being's complexity is of the precise sort that an intelligent designer would produce, that won't help his cause. For that is exactly the sort of complexity evolutionary biologists expect to find in the first place. (Of course, you can argue that they're wrong—that natural selection can't produce this kind of complexity. But then you're back to the Behe-esque arguments—Creationism 101—and Dembski's mathematical rendering of the issue hasn't changed the state of play.)
Surely, you say, Dembski must be saying something more sophisticated than this. After all, he is at an accredited university! Well, I've now spent about an hour and a half interrogating him, trying to find the sophisticated thing that he's saying, and I have failed. (Click here for details on my exercise in futility.) So far as I can tell, Dembski's argument is just an example of something demonstrated time and again in various disciplines at various accredited universities: If you phrase your argument in mathematical symbolism and technical terms, some people, including other academics, can be counted on to lose track of what the exact connection is between the symbolism and the reality it's supposed to represent. Then they may conclude that your mathematical model proves something—e.g., that natural selection couldn't have produced life as we know it—when in fact that's what your model assumes.
In sum: So far as I can tell, all the major components of "intelligent design theory" are either not new, not significant, or just wrong.
The Times piece was a legitimate news story. The "intelligent design movement" is having impact—getting the attention of school boards, legislators, and, obviously, journalists. And the Times is right to say that intelligent design theorists are "more sophisticated" than past creationists in the sense that most of them don't believe the Earth was created a few thousand years ago as described in Genesis. Some of them even believe evolution happened—albeit with divine input. Still, in the movement's critique of Darwinian theory, there is no sign of any new sophistication—at least, not in any positive sense of the word. "Intelligent design theory" is just a fresh label, a marketing device—and, evidently, an effective one.
Robert Wright, a visiting fellow at Princeton University's Center for Human Values and a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, runs the Web site meaningoflife.tv and is the author of The Moral Animal and Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny.
It is impossible to explain something to someone that already has a closed mind to the issue.
The men that fought for them and died in the Revolutionary War and those that have fought since then to maintain them.
***The men that fought for them and died in the Revolutionary War***
They may have fought to secure your rights, but they did not grant you inalienable rights.
Either God endowed us with inalienable rights or the State grants us right does.
Which one?
Or they are inherent within the individual, which is what "natural rights" means.
Typical fundamental thinking, making everything an either-or proposition. Sometimes there are more options.
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