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Court rules atheism a religion
WorldNetDaily ^

Posted on 08/20/2005 12:11:11 AM PDT by Lexinom

A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 7thcircuit; atheism; isthistheonion; religion; religionofatheism; ruling; truth; worldview
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To: Sandy
It's not a religion...

It is a Neo-pagan one for most of them.

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Atheists don't share a belief system, a moral code...

By definition, they should not have one at all...

There is no such thing as an ecumenical atheist!

241 posted on 08/21/2005 4:56:34 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: TypeZoNegative
What version of god was this country founded on?

Christ.

242 posted on 08/21/2005 6:05:43 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: fish hawk
Now don't tell me that there is not one of them as I just looked it up on the web and in fact Marie Curie one the first one for women in 1903.

There isn't one of those either - Marie Curie won the Nobel Prize in Physics, not "science". They also give one out for chemistry. The real problem, though, is that George Wald never, ever said anything remotely like that quote.

243 posted on 08/21/2005 6:54:01 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: Raycpa

Yeah, but whose version of Christ? Protestent Christ? Catholic Christ or a non sectarian Christ?


244 posted on 08/21/2005 12:39:41 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Uh, yeah. Socrates and Rush Limbaugh. Like twins they are.


245 posted on 08/21/2005 4:07:21 PM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Religion - The word has nothing to do with God.

Certainly that's the view of most people.

246 posted on 08/21/2005 4:10:58 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Lexinom

One can accept anything without evidence or proof simply because one wants to. Believing or accepting something on faith does not a religion make.

Atheism, strictly speaking, is not a religion regardless of the "faith" it requires. But... I clearly understand why it could be deemed a religion and indeed some of its cousins are religions... humanism, anti-theism, etc... -jw


247 posted on 08/21/2005 6:13:16 PM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: Sandy
Mainly because it's so incredibly off the mark. The precedents cited don't really support the court's argument and actually *contradict* rather than support in some spots. [. . .] this prisoner's purported beliefs aren't based on religion; they're philosophical and personal, at most.

That's pretty much my personal view of prisoner Kaufman's claim.

I've not been able to find any SCOTUS opinion which defines religion.  All there seems to be are rather murky tests (but again, no clear definitions) for what is claimed as a genuinely held religious belief. 

If you're right about the contradictions and the lack of relevancy , then I suppose the State might petition for an en banc rehearing based on (a)(1) below.  Is that how you see it?

Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 35:

RULE 35. En Banc Determination

(a) When Hearing or Rehearing En Banc May Be Ordered. A majority of the circuit judges who are in regular active service may order that an appeal or other proceeding be heard or reheard by the court of appeals en banc. An en banc hearing or rehearing is not favored and ordinarily will not be ordered unless:

(1) en banc consideration is necessary to secure or maintain uniformity of the court's decisions; or

(2) the proceeding involves a question of exceptional importance.

(b) Petition for Hearing or Rehearing En Banc. A party may petition for a hearing or rehearing en banc.

(1) The petition must begin with a statement that either:

(A) the panel decision conflicts with a decision of the United States Supreme Court or of the court to which the petition is addressed (with citation to the conflicting case or cases) and consideration by the full court is therefore necessary to secure and maintain uniformity of the court's decisions; or

(B) the proceeding involves one or more questions of exceptional importance, each of which must be concisely stated; for example, a petition may assert that a proceeding presents a question of exceptional importance if it involves an issue on which the panel decision conflicts with the authoritative decisions of other United States Courts of Appeals that have addressed the issue.


248 posted on 08/21/2005 10:39:56 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: TypeZoNegative

There is only one Christ.


249 posted on 08/22/2005 8:06:39 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

There's only one Christ, but just remember, that one Christ is claimed to give his approval on only one religion according to many religions.


250 posted on 08/22/2005 8:22:45 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: Racehorse

Word. A building block for handling those of Newdow's ilk.

Thanks very much for posting that excerpt.


251 posted on 08/22/2005 8:38:57 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Sandy
More likely he just concocted a bunch of B.S. in an attempt to get some extra prison playtime.

The court is letting him cross the first hurdle before tripping him on the next one.

I'd say the odds for granting a petition for cert or for rehearing en banc would be about the same, with neither being likely.

252 posted on 08/22/2005 8:44:24 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: TypeZoNegative

He did not approve ANY religion nor did he found one. He fufilled scripture and calls us to a relationship with the father through him. In him there is one Church, the Church of the saints. You may know it as having many names but it is still one bride.


253 posted on 08/22/2005 9:17:39 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: RoyalsFan

It certainly does. Atheism is not a religion. Courts make errors like this all the time, you know.


254 posted on 08/23/2005 11:50:07 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Raycpa

Just tell that to one of those "One true" churches like the Christian Scientists.


255 posted on 08/24/2005 2:33:07 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: MineralMan
Atheism is not a religion. Courts make errors like this all the time, you know.

If anyone cites this court ruling as "proof" that atheism is a religion, I'll throw Roe v. Wade in their face as "proof" that abortion is a civil right.
256 posted on 08/24/2005 6:08:44 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Kryptonite
A building block for handling those of Newdow's ilk.

Actually, Newdow was making the argument that "atheism is a religion." He even referred to himself as a "reverend". He probably would applaud this ruling.

257 posted on 08/26/2005 10:46:26 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: peyton randolph

A promising angle on things!


258 posted on 08/26/2005 10:48:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Newdow was stymied then, and an atheist prisoner was stymied here. I doubt he'd applaud.


259 posted on 08/26/2005 10:58:27 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite

Yes, Newdow was stymied, but the courts decided in favor of the atheist prisoner in this case.


260 posted on 08/28/2005 1:21:27 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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