Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15

Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

[TexKat]

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.

[demkicker]

The line about getting the transcripts to the FBI...sure, but they are in Dutch. And days after the fact.

OK, my followup is to the FBI-why don't we have someone down there who speaks Dutch? Are we to believe we have no one in our intelligence community capable of speaking this language?

This makes me wonder why Sen. Shelby hasn't made sure that the most efficient and proper FBI investigators are in Aruba. At one time, he was taking the lead in criticizing the Aruban government and the way the investigation was being handled.

I'm wondering now if he's continued to keep up with the goings on, or if he's moved on to other things. I want Shelby to be riding Dutch @ss until Natalee is found. I want him to make a phone call everyday!

[shebacal]

I want Shelby to be riding Dutch @ss until Natalee is found. I want him to make a phone call everyday!

Here is Senator Shelby website with e-mail contact:

http://shelby.senate.gov/resources/contact.htm

So far I've sent e-mails to all the news media listed in Post #409 posted on 08/20/2005 5:46:09 AM PDT by theophilusscribe, asking them to keep on reporting on Natalee's disappearance, and that the people in the world DO STILL care about this case - and are closely watching.

I'll be sending e-mails to all congress persons listed, including Senator Shelby. Then e-mails to the Dutch officials listed, asking that the investigators interrogate ALL the people possibly involved in this case (except maybe the 2 security guards), starting with: the father; the Kalpoes; Lorenzo van Rijn and all the people that gave him an alibi; all the employees working that night at CnC's; the DJ, Croes; all the employees of the casino(s) where Natalee went to; former Chief van der Straaten; the headmaster of the International School; etc.

That the investigators be given the equipment and manpower they need to search the landfill, and other places, to be totally and completely searched. For any witnesses to know they will not be deported, or disappear, or worse. People with information need to know they will be safe to come forward and tell what they know, without repercussions, and to tell the Netherland authorities that the people in the world DO STILL care about this case - and are closely watching.

We need to send a deluge of e-mail, phone calls, and letters (if anyone has time) so that the American government steps up to the plate for Natalee. Ditto for Dutch government.

[Malichi]

Looks like an elderly persons arm to me also.

[cherry]

"Wonder what will happen with this country also at the current rate of decline?"

hear you on that.....

everyone always says what a "nice" country Holland is, or was, yet how could "nice" people vote in and allow such depravity and invite such perverts into their country?........these may have been nice people but they were willing to sell their country down the river for a few easy bucks made off of drugs and sex.....

how about our citizens here in the good ol' USA?......would a large segment vote in legal drugs and legal prostitution if it meant a little tiny tax decrease?.......probably so......

[Dolphy]

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[demkicker]

You're right and I will get on it today! I hope all the regulars on this thread will do the same....

[whitedog57]

A complicated issue. Superficially, the "Dutch" seem nice. However, there is enormous guilt in Holland from their days as colonizers (and the Dutch were considered the most brutal of the colonizers). Add to that the Nazi occupation where the Dutch learned about true repression - but this time on THEM. Result? They have no wish to repress anyone and have completely lost any moral authority for fear of being repressive. So, what do we have? A country with no backbone and a "anything goes" mentality.

So, am I surprised that the historically corrupt and brutal Dutch (who now seemingly cannot distinguish right from wrong) produce people like the Van de Sluts and a legal system that gives judges incredible authority to ... do nothing?

As with any ultra-liberal, guilt-ridden society, they will be unable to cope with the "New World Disorder." That is, they are completely incapable of dealing with the problems created by their rapidly rising Muslim population (with the small percent of violent Muslim extremists and a larger percentage of angry and violent Muslim teenagers). There was an incident where a gang of Moroccan youths gangraped a white, retarded girl. The judge refused to prosecute the case for fear of stirring-up anti-Muslim hatred. So, they were let off! And we expect a decent law enforcement system in the Natalee Holloway case.

Some posters are still convinced that the police/courts will do their jobs since the tourist industry in Aruba will suffer. This is not the Dutch system (see above). Natalee will not receive justice as we know it, even if Joran is arrested for murder - he will never be found guilty.

This is why boycotting Aruba is so important. Visiting Aruba is a vote for their spineless legal system and corruption.

[af_vet_1981]

everyone always says what a "nice" country Holland is

Holland is not a "nice" country.

[truthluva]

I didn't think of that. Your explanation sounds very reasonable.

[Lucy Lake]

Netherlands to euthanize of children up to age 12:

Now They Want to Euthanize Children

In the Netherlands, 31 percent of pediatricians have killed infants. A fifth of these killings were done without the "consent" of parents. Going Dutch has never been so horrible.
by Wesley J. Smith
09/13/2004 12:00:00 AM

FIRST, Dutch euthanasia advocates said that patient killing will be limited to the competent, terminally ill who ask for it.

Then, when doctors began euthanizing patients who clearly were not terminally ill, sweat not, they soothed: medicalized killing will be limited to competent people with incurable illnesses or disabilities.

Then, when doctors began killing patients who were depressed but not physically ill, not to worry, they told us: only competent depressed people whose desire to commit suicide is "rational" will have their deaths facilitated.

Then, when doctors began killing incompetent people, such as those with Alzheimer's, it's all under control, they crooned: non-voluntary killing will be limited to patients who would have asked for it if they were competent.

Now they want to euthanize children.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/616jszlg.asp

[truthluva]

Hey DS! How have you been? Come stay a while when you can.

[varina davis]

mark

[rolling_stone]

You better put the asparagus back in the refrigerator before your wife finds out...

[monkeywrench]

No wonder people are fleeing the Nether(world)lands.

[truthluva]

Hey...did you see the posts from Bondia last night at SM? (early this morning) Sounds like more disinformation. I would like to see if THolloway makes any comments about this.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1591&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=860

[alice_in_bubbaland]

I was under the impression that Nat's bags were left in her hotel room along with her passport & cell phone. Could be wrong though.

[Dolphy]

From your link:

Someone named William (a friend of Natalee's that was not on the trip) received a recorded message on his answering machine at around 3 am on the 30th - possibly from Aruba. Charles Croes listened to the call at least 4 times. He said it sounded like someone driving in a car (nearly a minute) and then the question in a male's voice "Are you calling home?" and then hanging up. Charles called this boy up around midnight on the 30th after Beth gave him the number. Charles thought it was strange that the boy answered the phone at midnight and was alone without anyone else in the room (like parents). Charles said he spoke to the boy for nearly 45 minutes without interruption.

Charles Croes called the boy who received the message and talked for 45 minutes? And why the comment that it was strange that the boy was alone...is that calling into question the message itself? I agree, I don't think this seems accurate...Croes seemed attached to the Twittys that night (at least by his accounts), when would he have time for a 45 minute phone call?

[monkeywrench]

Interesting. I'll go read it. Someone just asked NL about it. :)

[whitedog57]

Euthanizing children? What a hiddeous and twisted place.

If anyone says they want to go "Dutch" for dinner, DON'T DO IT! it probably means that they will kill you.

[monkeywrench]

Just finished reading them. Some, I reread. Maybe a group of people that work at BonDia mag or newspaper? I'm going to check them out. Also, I know bondia was whining about alledged "aruba bashing". It was ALE bashing, instead.

I don't trust any of the arubans over there. They're all part of the "protect aruba" team, as far as I'm concerned. The only people who's word I take for anything, are the T-H family members.