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Iranian Alert - August 14, 2005 - President Bush to Iran: We've used Force before
Regime Change Iran ^ | 8/14/05 | freedom44

Posted on 08/14/2005 7:13:44 PM PDT by freedom44


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In a stern warning to Iran, President Bush said "all options are on the table" if the Iranians refuse to comply with international demands to halt their nuclear program, pointedly noting he has already used force to protect U.S. security.

Bush's statement in an interview on Israeli TV late Friday was unusually harsh. He previously said diplomacy should be used to persuade Iran to suspend its nuclear program and if that failed then the U.N. Security Council should impose sanctions.

The U.S. government and others fear Iran's nuclear work is secretly designed to produce nuclear weapons. Iran's leaders deny that, saying it is only for the generation of electricity.

In Vienna, Austria, where the IAEA is based, diplomats said Iran faced a Sept. 3 deadline to stop uranium conversion or face possible referral to the Security Council, which has the power to impose crippling sanctions. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity.

Iran, which insists its nuclear program is peaceful, responded with indignation to the warning.

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said Saturday he would not support U.S. military action against Iran. "Let's by all means develop a strong negotiating position, but take the military option off the table," Schroeder said.

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1 posted on 08/14/2005 7:13:45 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

I've stopped paying attention to talk.

Nations act, or they don't. It is thoroughly uninteresting to analyze statements.


2 posted on 08/14/2005 7:16:24 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: freedom44
I have crazy theory, is it possible that some Iranians who support freedom, support the building of nukes in Iran to force President Bush and the U.S. to act against and overthrow the mullahs?

Sort of a "learn to love the bomb" situation...

3 posted on 08/14/2005 7:20:18 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: All

"Let's by all means develop a strong negotiating position, but take the military option off the table."

What an unbelievable statement.


4 posted on 08/14/2005 7:25:38 PM PDT by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: bluetone006
"Let's by all means develop a strong negotiating position, but take the military option off the table."

What an unbelievable statement.

Yeah it sort of makes the search for a "strong negotiating position" impossible. What's happened to the Europeans lately? (other than them putting their heads up ther a** all the time?)

5 posted on 08/14/2005 7:32:50 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: SteveMcKing
"It is thoroughly uninteresting to analyze statements."

Do you prefer analyzing the sound of gunfire? Kind of tough to do on a blog... LOL

6 posted on 08/14/2005 7:39:50 PM PDT by humint (Define the future... but only if you're prepared for war with the soldiers of the past and present!)
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To: SteveMcKing

Let's all hope that it doesn't come to war with Iran. I don't want to think about our soldiers having to deal with human waves of children with explosives.... the Iranian government, if possible, has even less respect for individual lives than Saddam and they do it in a way that would likely force us to kill large quantities of young boys.


7 posted on 08/14/2005 7:40:29 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: gondramB

Welcome to FR.


8 posted on 08/14/2005 7:44:34 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: bluetone006

Just consider the source.
Our wonderful comrades-in-arms, Germany...who have been caught red-handed along with our many other 'friends' making huge profits supplying nuclear materiale to Iran.
It's all an act anyway. Military is least desirable option.
We get them "in the tent" and it's all downhill for the other Arab countries on our list.
Total annhilation is not on the favorites list any more.


9 posted on 08/14/2005 7:47:44 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: gondramB

where do you think all the insurgents over there are from? where do you think all the weapons and explosives are coming from? we are already in an unannounced war with Iranian Islamic Fundamentalists. Prediction...Israel as per their stated policy will not allow Iran to continue their enrichment. They are walling off the Gaza strip right now in preparation for a full air strike on Nuclear facilities in Iran. Bush has stated that force is still one option because he knows it is inevitable. Meanwhile everyone else is still touting negotiations and sanctions which have never worked with any middle eastern country. Also, China has already announced that it will not support santions. Iraq was under sanctions for years. Did they have any trouble getting oil? USA will claim no advance knowledge of the Israeli air strike. Israel will claim that it acted alone. US will have no choice but to provide material support for our ally. Shit...fan...


10 posted on 08/14/2005 7:50:55 PM PDT by willyd
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"is it possible that some Iranians who support freedom, support the building of nukes in Iran"

I sincerely doubt it. If they do they are incredibly misguided. An Iranian bomb could significantly extend the life of this regime as terrorism and the threat of it has done. Besides, every time an Iran expert says, it can't get worse than this (IE if Iran gets the bomb the West can fix it)... it always does get worse. I've heard domestic reports of enthusiasm for Iran's nuclear program and to me they look coerced if not completely fabricated. Some Iranian expats (automatically qualifying them as experts) assume that the West will face up to tough talking Iranians today; by first assuming the West was fooled by the likes of reformers of yesterday. Those so called reformers were just as active in the nuclear program as the so called hardliners are today. What's changed is that the new guys are more likely to push the situation over the edge....

11 posted on 08/14/2005 7:53:35 PM PDT by humint (Define the future... but only if you're prepared for war with the soldiers of the past and present!)
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To: humint
An Iranian bomb could significantly extend the life of this regime as terrorism and the threat of it has done.

I disagree. Either the U.S. or Isreal will takeout Iran is some way before they have a complete bomb.

12 posted on 08/14/2005 7:59:33 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: ThirstyMan; bluetone006

Could be a few European/ME states are in league with Iran to feed us false intelligence. We take out a nuke program that turns out to be peaceful after all.


13 posted on 08/14/2005 8:22:47 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: gondramB
The Citizens of Iran probably have more positive thoughts about the USA than half of our Senators.

They want what we have, Go there and you will know this to be True as well.

Our War is against Radical Islamic Terrorists, not any Country or Race, it has no Geographic or Political Boundaries.

If War requires killing large quantities, then it requires killing large quantities, War is War, hasn't changed on the battlefield for thousands of years.

Only recently has it changed in the US in that we have two Generations of Capitulators and Manipulators that would rather surrender everything before they would ever take the necessary steps to properly prosecute a War and achieve a Victory and a Peace for Personal and Political Gain.

The Greatest Generation, those that fought in WW2 can't be very proud of the Homefront these days.

You sell Iran short, you sell the US short and your lack of conviction is evidence that you sell yourself short.

Doubters have a place and since you have chosen show up, would you do us all a favor and return to the shadows where you belong?
14 posted on 08/14/2005 8:26:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: freedom44

Iran is a dicey issue. I probably won't be against a war if it becomes absolutely necessary and all other options are exhausted, but I hope and pray that doesn't happen.


15 posted on 08/14/2005 8:50:59 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: gondramB

You have Freepmail


16 posted on 08/14/2005 8:52:33 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: ThirstyMan

Good morning neighbor. Wont you be my neighbor?


17 posted on 08/14/2005 8:55:55 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"I disagree. Either the U.S. or Israel will takeout Iran is some way before they have a complete bomb."

In the world of nuclear proliferation, history demonstrates that there is a lag time between the time a country has a bomb, and the time the world knows they have a bomb. It runs about 18 years... The reasons for this are complex but have much to do with diplomatic, risk benefit analysis. But history has never been and never will be a "definitive" guide to the future. However it has useful lessons:

BBC - 1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.

Tells us that:

1. Iran would be much more difficult to hit than Tuwaitah 2. Targeting facilities that represent a threat to freedom in the West, does not particularly translate into more freedom for the people who reside in the threatening state. 3. We can't gurantee we've hit all of the threatening facilities.

But let me step back for a moment... you did say "in some way" not having qualified the way you are talking about, I hope you're right. I hope we are in possession of the non-proliferation wand because Elbaradei definitely doesn't have one...

BTW, did the NSA recruit Harry Potter yet?... JK

18 posted on 08/14/2005 9:00:55 PM PDT by humint (Define the future... but only if you're prepared for war with the soldiers of the past and present!)
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To: I see my hands
"Could be a few European/ME states are in league with Iran to feed us false intelligence. We take out a nuke program that turns out to be peaceful after all."

Not sure you're understanding the outcome of a nuclear reactor. Yes it produces power and power is not a threat. The threat comes from the enriched uranium that the reactor produces (while generated power) that is needed to make a nuclear bomb.

When a tyrannical Iranian mullah say he doesn't want to make a nuclear bomb he's lying.
Trusting them to tell the truth is not an option. After all Iran has an unlimited oil supply! Why do they need nuclear power?

So we'll definitely take out the nuclear reactor (or Israel will) before it comes on line, to save the entire free world from being held hostage by these mullahs and their kind.

The fallout from our air strike will be tolerable, more so than the fallout from their bomb.

19 posted on 08/14/2005 9:21:38 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: I see my hands

Did you see what Dean said today on natl TV? That the US is to weak to fight Iran.

Bastard.


20 posted on 08/14/2005 9:23:45 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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