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WORST PRESIDENT EVER (vote)
8/12/2005

Posted on 08/12/2005 3:25:54 PM PDT by hang 'em

Who is/was the WORST U.S. PRESIDENT EVER? Carter? Clinton? Make your choice and state your reasons.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: communists; cowards; fishattack; hillarytopsthelist; itsreagan; jimmycarter; killerbunny; morons; perverts; psychopaths; rapists; slickwilliehandsdown; sociopaths; totalitarians; traiters
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To: bad company

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341 posted on 08/13/2005 7:52:21 AM PDT by LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR
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To: hang 'em

1. Kennedy
2. Clinton
3. Johnson
4. Carter
JFK was a murdering illegitimate scumbag just like Clinton, he will never be worth anything in a lot of minds that was around at that time. The mob stole the election from Nixon and the media has been silent about it.


342 posted on 08/13/2005 8:02:37 AM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name, His Son Yahshua Messiah is coming soon!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
I'll second that vote for LBJ.

I'll second your second.

LBJ was pure, unadulterated evil. A brilliant conniver and politician, (is there a difference?) but a very evil man who would do ANYTHING at all to get what he wanted, and what he wanted was total, absolute power.

343 posted on 08/13/2005 8:11:26 AM PDT by epow ( The only fish that always swim with the current are dead fish)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You should also remember that the CSA invaded Missouri, Kentucky and Maryland and tried to use FORCE to conquer them and make them part of the CSA. All three states had only small CSA-sympathizer minorities, but that didn't stop the CSA from asserting they were part of the confederacy. BTW, all three states had senators in the CSA Senate.

The CSA also tried to use force to keep WV from seceding from VA and they were ruthless in their oppression of the East Tennessee unionists.

The worst American president was Jeff Davis. Traitor, Tyrant, coward, and fool.
344 posted on 08/13/2005 8:29:49 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“They broke that contract which is perfectly legal.
How did they do that?

sorry poor wording on my part. They dissolved the contract, they are the ones that created the contract.

This was done a few years ago again with approximately 13 States that signed onto dissolving the US constitution if the Federal government didn't stop it’s mad spending, today they needed a majority to do so because of the 14th amendment making the citizen both a State citizen and a federal citizen.

345 posted on 08/13/2005 8:39:29 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: WillMalven
Here's more of your quote from the "Communist Manifesto":

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors," and has left no other bond between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment." It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom--Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

Marx isn't saying protection is good and free trade between nations is bad. He's attacking what he took to be the whole "bourgeois" attitude that puts economic life and economic freedom first. It's freedom to buy and sell that he's attacking -- and the attitude that values it -- not international trade with low or no tariffs.

Here's Marx's pal Engels explaining where Marx stood on free trade in the sense of lowering international restraints on trade:

“To him, Free Trade is the normal condition of modern capitalist production. Only under Free Trade can the immense productive powers of steam, of electricity, of machinery, be fully developed; and the quicker the pace of this development, the sooner and the more fully will be realized its inevitable results; society splits up into two classes, capitalists here, wage-laborers there; hereditary wealth on one side, hereditary poverty on the other; supply outstripping demand, the markets being unable to absorb the ever growing mass of the production of industry; an ever recurring cycle of prosperity, glut, crisis, panic, chronic depression, and gradual revival of trade, the harbinger not of permanent improvement but of renewed overproduction and crisis; in short, productive forces expanding to such a degree that they rebel, as against unbearable fetters, against the social institutions under which they are put in motion; the only possible solution: a social revolution, freeing the social productive forces from the fetters of an antiquated social order, and the actual producers, the great mass of the people, from wage slavery. And because Free Trade is the natural, the normal atmosphere for this historical evolution, the economic medium in which the conditions for the inevitable social revolution will be the soonest created—for this reason, and for this alone, did Marx declare in favor of Free Trade.”(Engels: On the Question of Free Trade)

Marx and Engels wanted free trade because they thought it would sweep away survivals of the old economy and society and open the way to communist revolution. Sometimes they ridiculed the whole debate as a capitalist one of no concern to communists, but they generally came down on the side of free trade. They did not have a high opinion of protectionism and protectionists.

346 posted on 08/13/2005 9:03:51 AM PDT by x
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To: hang 'em

Is there any doubt about Buchanan? While the country was screaing for leadership, he stuck his fingers in his ears and went "NAH NAH NAH" and waited out his term until the Great Dictator took over and gave us the government we have today.


347 posted on 08/13/2005 9:52:13 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: hang 'em

The only reason that Jimmah Caatah has gotten so many votes is that Hillary hasn't been elected yet.


348 posted on 08/13/2005 10:01:15 AM PDT by reg45
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To: hang 'em
Johnson will have the longest legacy so he wins.

2nd place goes to Clinton...just edging out Carter.

Yes I know I'm viewing this through a 20th Century lens but frankly impact of earlier presidents is either long gone or mixed in to our lives so much we don't know where and how they have impacted us.

Johnson's great society programs. His war profiteering. His mean spiritedness will impact the country for decades to come.
349 posted on 08/13/2005 10:05:59 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: AzaleaCity5691
The literature on the NRA/AAA and mistreatment of blacks is quite extensive and is even accepted (or at least taken seriously) by many mainstream historians. For a good summary of evidence that Southern planters used the AAA (via production controls) NRA (via the minimum wage) to evict sharecroppers and pocket subsidies, see David Bernstein, Only One Place of Redress: African Americans, Labor Regulations, and the Courts from Reconstruction to the New Deal.

If you want to read some devastating criticism of both the NRA and AAA from the period, check out the old Chicago Defenders from the early 1930s. Such phrases for the NRA as "Negroes Ruined Again" "Negro Runaround Act" and "Negro Removal Act" were common.

I think you overstate evidence of a budding socialist movement in the South in the 1930s. There were some fascistic/socialist types like Huey but most Southern politicians (Richard Russell, Harry Byrd, Eugene Talmadge, John Nance Gardner, were more conservative. Debs was mouldering in his grave and Norman Thomas did much worse than Debs when he ran in 1932. His weakest showing was in the South!

Huey had a big following but it was more national than regional and crested 1934-1935, after the NRA/AAA were either dead on or on their last legs. The death of these agencies at the hands of the Supreme Court was unlamented even by FDR. Huey was not particularly bothered either.

350 posted on 08/13/2005 10:17:31 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: AzaleaCity5691
The so-called "The Republic of South Carolina" was nothing more than an invention of the pro-slavery insurrectionist politicians, who were in the pocket of the South's 'Cotton Empire'.

After the Civil War, which they started, every one of them should have been given at least life terms for the horrors they & other traitors inflicted on this great nation.

351 posted on 08/13/2005 10:40:57 AM PDT by M. Espinola ( Freedom is never free)
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To: hang 'em

Carter for being president and his actions since trying to destroy this country.


352 posted on 08/13/2005 10:42:36 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: LS
"The bad news is, this generation of "Bury-My-Heart-at-Wounded-Knee" Dixie pro-slave neoconfederates had almost died out by the 1980s, but a bunch of anti-American libertarian think tanks got them whipped up again. (And if you don't think a lot of these Libertarians are anti-American, check their positions on the War on Terror, the War in Iraq, and, above all, illegal immigrants!"

Your overview is a perfect description of today's deplorable situation with the neo-confederate crowd.

353 posted on 08/13/2005 10:48:27 AM PDT by M. Espinola ( Freedom is never free)
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To: rcocean; hang 'em
4)Carter/Clinton - I would rate them higher, I mean lower, but lucky for us, outside events limited their ability to cause damage.

I respectfully think you have never been so wrong in your emtire life. 9/11 and the entire terrorist world we now live in can be laid at these 2 men's feet. The Iranian Hostage Crisis told the followers of the moon-god pedophile muhammed (may he burn in hell forever between 2 pigs) that the USA lacked courage and the lack of any substantive response. During the Klinton regime, the complete absence of a strong response to the all the terrorst attacks -- the 1st WTC attack, the Cole, Bosnia, capped by the chickensh*t retreat in Somalia -- told them that if they hit us hard we would run.

Carter/Clinton=Terrorism

354 posted on 08/13/2005 11:46:30 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: freedumb2003
"I respectfully think you have never been so wrong in your entire life."

Trust me, I've been more wrong on any number of things. LOL

My only point is that Clinton/Carter never got a chance to get us into a unnecessary War that killed 50,000 or more Americans or do any of the crap that LBJ/Wilson/FDR got away with. I don't excuse their actions.
355 posted on 08/13/2005 12:15:55 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: rcocean

Top 5 is a tough call -- but C/C still handed us what could be the end of freedom as we know it. Through their cowardice.

I just wanted to help you take the long view. The seeds C/C planted have grown to be the poison ivy that will destroy the world.

The rest were issues that pretty much stayed in the era that they infected (except arguably the Vietnam War, although the war itself was not that important, the response to it reverberates).


356 posted on 08/13/2005 1:02:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: x

Same thing. Marx and Engels did not support free trade as a means of running the economy, only as a tool for the destruction of capitalism. The implication was that free trade was a Marxist concept. It is the antithesis of that. It is the ultimate expression of capitalism. You see I don't believe in Marx and Engels or their theories. I don't believe in their premise.

There for to say that Marx was a free tradeer is to completely misinterpret him, Marxism, and what he wrote. He was not embracing free trade for himself, he was only embracing it as a negative force.


357 posted on 08/13/2005 1:21:43 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: rcocean
Whether the debate over Smoot-Hawley caused the crash is a secondary issue. The primary issue is whether it turned a relatively mild recession into a full-scale depression and belong before 1980s most economists have accepted that is a truism. This is why FDR and later presidents finally junked Smoot-Hawley.

Why did trade increase after 1938? Here's a good reason. By this time, Secretary of State Cordell Hull had finally persuaded FDR to abandon Smoot-Hawley and replace it with the pro-free trade policy of making Most Favored Nation Treaties.

358 posted on 08/13/2005 1:33:23 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: hang 'em; 1rudeboy
Okay, can one of you guys give us a tally?
Number ain't* my best point.



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*My apologies to Miss Margret Barnett, English teacher.
359 posted on 08/13/2005 1:36:27 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: WillMalven

Disagree. The Democrats gave Hoover pretty much everything he wanted including the RFC and his bone-crushign income tax increase. It is true, however, that FDR refused to cooperate with Hoover's recommendation for a bank holiday and other measures. FDR wanted the glory.


360 posted on 08/13/2005 1:38:39 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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