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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 13
Various News Outlets | 8/7/05

Posted on 08/07/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aruba; arubancorruption; beth; bethandjug; boycottaruba; carloscharlies; courageousmom; daviejoneslocker; deepak; deepkrap; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kalpooeys; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway
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To: TexKat

They should talk to Mrs VDS too. I'll bet it wouldn't take much for her to crack if she knows anything.


541 posted on 08/08/2005 7:42:03 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: doodlelady
"My daughter and I had that conversation about me being her mom, not her friend and she said because I'm her mom I'm her BEST friend." First and foremost you are her Mom. I'm sure that when she mentions you to others she calls you "my Mom," not "my friend ." When you introduce her to others, you don't say, "Hi, this is my friend Jane." Rather, "Hi, this is my daughter Jane."
542 posted on 08/08/2005 7:43:40 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: presently no screen name

You is the greatest...ya know, my cats has fleas.


543 posted on 08/08/2005 7:46:18 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: TAquinas

Pompous twaddle.


544 posted on 08/08/2005 7:46:28 PM PDT by b9
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To: justche; grizzfan
Here you go, grizz -- in response to your question:

Hugo Chávez, the current "president" [Marxist dictator] was born in 1954.

Educated at the Military Academy of Venezuela (grad. 1975), for two decades he was a career army officer, rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel. In 1992, Chávez led an unsuccessful coup attempt against President Carlos Andrés Pérez and was imprisoned until 1994.

A charismatic populist [read Marxist], he became the leader of the leftist Patriotic Pole alliance. Promising a peaceful social revolution, Chávez was elected president in a 1999 landslide. However, in office he and his supporters tossed out the nation's constitution and wrote a new one giving him virtual dictatorial powers. He ended the privatization of Venezuela's state holdings, put himself in control of economic matters, and cut oil production to raise oil prices. The new "constitution" gives him a longer possible term of office [probably for life, like his hero, Castro], and weakened the legislature and judiciary.

Chávez's popularity with the country's poor increased as he took measures against rampant corruption, criticized the traditional oligarchy, and made more funds available for social programs. He also attacked his critics in business and the media, and expanded the role of the military. Closer ties were established with Middle Eastern oil-producing nations and with Cuba. In 2000, Chávez "won" office under the new constitution. Despite his populist rhetoric, many expressed fears that he was exhibiting the distinctively dictatorial signs of the classic Latin American military strongman, the caudillo. Although he retains strong support among the lower classes, opposition to his rule increased, and strikes and demonstrations sparked by his attempts to assert control over the state oil company led to a short-lived coup attempt in April 2002, and a prolonged strike by oil workers later that year. An attempt by the [much weakened] opposition to recall him through a referendum (August 2004) resulted in a solid vote for Chávez. [Naturally, isn't that always the way with Marxist dictators. They always manage drum up a "solid" vote.]

BTW, if I recall correctly Jimmy Carter went down there to observe the vote and pronounced it fair and legitimate. Enough said!

545 posted on 08/08/2005 7:48:14 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: All
That was an interesting story about the windsurfer that vanished in Aruba several years ago. The FBI refused to get involved because they didn't have jurisdiction (which is similar to an experience friends of my family had with their son in Costa Rica). The FBI's involvement in the Holloway case has always been significant to me. It is not automatic that they help Americans in foreign countries.
546 posted on 08/08/2005 7:48:32 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: doodlelady

Hey DL...lay on the tough love!


547 posted on 08/08/2005 7:49:37 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: TAquinas

I dont' agree with your premise. By saying a spouse is a friend, one is describing one of the many ways in which a spouse is meaningful.

And I don't think anticristian groups or the left are defining the family down. I think to many people, families are not the traditional family. And people love many people that they describe as family who are not in the conventional sense.

The change in the modern family is not a plot in my opinion. And your insistence on defining what vocabulary people may use or not use in discussing their family or friends is quite, well, tyranical.


548 posted on 08/08/2005 7:52:18 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Dark Skies

And you has the greatest humor!


549 posted on 08/08/2005 7:53:16 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: texasbluebell

"Beth even reminded him that he could collect a quarter of a million dollars if he gave her information on Natalee's whereabouts.

"He could have been set for life."

...in prison.

"That tells you right there that he was involved in the assault, since he did not tell Beth where to find Natalee."

He didn't tell because had he, he would have implicated himself, his brother, Joran and who knows who else.

The fact that he refused to answer the question posed by Beth, says a lot about his guilty. If he truly is innocent, he would have answered the question, but he didn't. I won't give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's innocent.



550 posted on 08/08/2005 7:54:23 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: TAquinas

What demographics are you referring to? That is the second time you have remarked on the "demographics",,can you be more specific?


551 posted on 08/08/2005 7:54:54 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TexKat
TK, it was Deceitful Declaration.
552 posted on 08/08/2005 7:55:00 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: presently no screen name

It's tha fleas...they makes me jumpy and funny.


553 posted on 08/08/2005 7:57:07 PM PDT by Dark Skies (The storm is coming!)
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To: Dolphy
I've decided what is happening:

On Aruba in a cave that goes into the ocean there is a creature. This creature is very old and vicious. From time to time the creature demands a human sacrifice. Natalie and the wind surfer were there at the wrong times.

IIRC: Hairs were present on a piece of duct tape which was found near an ocean cave.

554 posted on 08/08/2005 7:57:42 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: texasbluebell
Tito on Greta saying the defense lawyers are pretty upset with Beth talking to DK and he mentioned something about them wanting to see if maybe they can take out a restraining order against her.

I'll comment.

The defense lawyers should get the same penalty as the perps they are representing.

555 posted on 08/08/2005 7:57:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Pepper777

"I've heard about the *fix her* comment, but not sure what it means."

Most likely means to "fix" (pinpoint) her location at the time of the call, if the cellphone as equipped with GPS; ar at minimum the azimuth (compass direction) trom the cell tower on aruba.......the latter can be done with more accuracy if there are multiple towers, but I read that there is only a single tower in aruba-----I'm not sure that only a single tower is believable, though.


556 posted on 08/08/2005 8:00:12 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: doc
My take is Natalee has been murdered.

Murdered or kidnapped, all of the perps should pay with their lives.

What was the name of that operation President Bush's first instinct told him ?

Operation Infinite Justice


557 posted on 08/08/2005 8:01:03 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

I am growing weary of lawyers telliing everyone what they can and cannot say, interfering with human beings trying to resolve conflict, collecting big fees.

When I hear a person, even a friend, say "My lawyeer says I cannot say that or do that", I see red.

I think I am hating lawyers.


558 posted on 08/08/2005 8:01:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TAquinas

"George Orwell's English and The Abuse of Language"

Sorry. That should be "Politics and The English Language." Another excellent essay by Orwell is "Why I write."


559 posted on 08/08/2005 8:03:42 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: presently no screen name

"Sidenote: do you mean 'has' or 'have'?"

I meant "has." Am using "demographics" as a collective noun.


560 posted on 08/08/2005 8:05:47 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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