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NYCLU sues city over subway searches
New York Newsday ^ | August 4, 2005 | BY JOSHUA ROBIN and DAN JANISON

Posted on 08/04/2005 7:32:25 AM PDT by aculeus

The New York Civil Liberties Union will file suit against the city Thursday to keep police from searching the bags of passengers entering the subway, organization lawyers said.

The suit, which will be filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, will claim that the two-week old policy violates constitutional guarantees of equal protection and prohibitions against unlawful searches and seizures, while doing almost nothing to shield the city from terrorism.

It argues that the measure also allows the possibility for racial profiling, even though officers are ordered to randomly screen passengers.

"While concerns about terrorism of course justify -- indeed, require -- aggressive police tactics, those concerns cannot justify the Police Department's unprecedented policy of subjecting millions of innocent people to suspicionless searches," states the suit, a partial copy of which was provided to Newsday.

(Excerpt) Read more at nynewsday.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: amazing; enemywithin; sickening; traitorous
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1 posted on 08/04/2005 7:32:27 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

I knew this was coming.


2 posted on 08/04/2005 7:34:59 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: aculeus

I think its about time for the IRS to audit the ACLU...
hmmmmmm...


3 posted on 08/04/2005 7:35:09 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: aculeus

Do they have a better idea?




Didn't think so.


4 posted on 08/04/2005 7:35:56 AM PDT by Hadean
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To: aculeus
I'm curious to see how this whole thing shakes out in New York.

I'm on the NYCLU's side on this one, but probably for much different reasons. It seems to me that law enforcement officials in New York have two options: search everyone, or search nobody. I'd like to see how the latter approach would work if it were implemented for six months.

5 posted on 08/04/2005 7:36:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: kellynla

LOL. That was the first word that came to my mind: audit.


6 posted on 08/04/2005 7:37:32 AM PDT by Graymatter
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I think its about time for the IRS to audit the ACLU...

Right after they audit Jesse Jerkson.

7 posted on 08/04/2005 7:37:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: aculeus

can we sue for aclu for risking our safety?


8 posted on 08/04/2005 7:39:59 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (this space for rent)
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**ahem** **cough** **cough cough** **DOUCHE BAGS** **cough**


9 posted on 08/04/2005 7:42:08 AM PDT by utvolsfan13
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To: Alberta's Child
Ummm, how many suicide bombers/terrorist have been Caucasian, or over age 35 of any race?

profiling is the only way to do it with limited resources.

get over it.
10 posted on 08/04/2005 7:43:36 AM PDT by zek157
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To: aculeus

Simple solution, have them either come up with something that will really work, or to assume full responsibility if a successful attack occurs because of their PC "sensibilities".


11 posted on 08/04/2005 7:46:56 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: aculeus
The suit, which will be filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, will claim that the two-week old policy violates constitutional guarantees of equal protection and prohibitions against unlawful searches and seizures, while doing almost nothing to shield the city from terrorism.

I do agree with the ACLU in that the searches as currently performed do absolutely nothing to shield us from terrorism. But from a Constitutional standpoint, I do not see how the random searches are any different than "roving road blocks," where cops randomly pull over drivers without any probable cause in the hopes nailing a drunk driver. Much to my disgust, the SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld roving road blocks and I don't see how the random mass transit searches are any different.

12 posted on 08/04/2005 7:47:16 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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"Profiling" sounds like a great idea, but it will only work until a Bosnian Muslim who is as white as Elmer's Glue blows himself up in a subway station.

If the London police had implemented a targeted campaign of searching Middle Eastern passengers before July 7th, would a Jamaican-born British guy named Germaine Lindsay ever have been caught?

13 posted on 08/04/2005 7:47:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: aculeus
The suit, which will be filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, will claim that the two-week old policy violates constitutional guarantees of equal protection and prohibitions against unlawful searches and seizures, while doing almost nothing to shield the city from terrorism.

This two-week-old policy probably COULD have stopped Colin Ferguson from specifically killing five Whites and one Asian on the Long Island RR back in '93 - but, oops, yeah - we don't want to talk about ALSO helping to stop more-prevalent DOMESTIC CRIME when we can just sit back and b!tch about international terrorism… Silly me.

14 posted on 08/04/2005 7:48:14 AM PDT by solitas (ALSO)
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Unfortunately, it will take an attack as in London before their PC "sensibilities" are overwhelmed by an angry mob of New Yorkers.


15 posted on 08/04/2005 7:49:30 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Labyrinthos
. . . I do not see how the random searches are any different than "roving road blocks," where cops randomly pull over drivers without any probable cause in the hopes nailing a drunk driver.

That's a very good point. I don't think a roadside checkpoint of any kind can pass legal muster unless they stop EVERY driver, and not just random ones (this was the basis of a decision in a landmark case in New York or New Jersey a few years ago, in which a random drug-enforcement checkpoint on the George Washington Bridge was determined to be illegal).

16 posted on 08/04/2005 7:50:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Are you nuts???


17 posted on 08/04/2005 7:51:32 AM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - ---> Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: aculeus

Why not have speparate trains for the searched and the unsearched? I know which one I would ride in.


18 posted on 08/04/2005 7:52:19 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: solitas
Having random searches of passengers in a city where law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying guns is just about the most useless -- and prohibitively expensive -- form of "security" I can possibly think of.

Like I said in an earlier post -- I'm on the NYCLU's side on this one, but they've got an agenda that is predicated on their infantile, delusional view of law enforcement.

19 posted on 08/04/2005 7:53:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: dennisw
Are you nuts???

No -- why do you ask?

20 posted on 08/04/2005 7:53:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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