Posted on 08/03/2005 10:47:14 PM PDT by churchillbuff
A city in east-central Ohio in September will celebrate Army Gen. William T. Sherman and the 125th anniversary of his ``War is hell'' speech.
The events will be Sept. 23-25, mostly in Lancaster in Fairfield County, the birth place of the Union Civil War general who marched in 1864 from Atlanta to Savannah through the heart of the Confederacy.
The celebration will include nationally recognized scholars and authors and hundreds of re-enactors portraying notable Ohioans and key Civil War figures. There will be a Civil War tea and fashion show and history walks featuring a Civil War encampment.
There will also be a Sept. 23 opening dinner at the Franklin Park Conservatory in Columbus. The speaker will be Dr. Richard McMurry, a Civil War author and historian. Re-enactors will portray Sherman and Ohio's own President Rutherford B. Hayes.
Sherman (1820-1891) delivered his famous speech on Aug. 11, 1880, at the Civil War Soldiers' Reunion at the Ohio State Fairgrounds (now the Columbus Park Conservatory).
``The war is away back in the past and you can tell what books cannot. When you talk, you come down to practical realities, just as they happened.... There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror; but if it has to come, I am here,'' Sherman told 10,000 Civil War veterans.
Sherman's birthplace in Lancaster is a museum run by the Fairfield Heritage Association.
For more information, contact the association at 105 E. Wheeling St., Lancaster, OH 43130, 740-654-9923. The Internet site is www.lancaster-oh.com/Sherman.
The founding fathers knew that they were committing treason in the eyes of the crown, and were prepared to suffer the consequences. Southerners knew that they were committing treason to the Union, yet too many of their descendents still whine about how they were treated, which was considerably better than other folks in other domestic conflicts around the world.
"One side in the Civil War was virtually the only democracy in the world at that time; and the other was a slave empire conspiring with foreign dictators in an attempt to destroy that democracy."
I'd love to stay and chat, but I have to go somewhere.
Before I toddle off, just a couple of things:
"Slave empire" is so overblown as to be risible. They were states, in the United States, where slaves were owned. Following secession, they attempted to become another democracy, with the same Republican institutions as the US.
And yes, if they had won, slavery would have been legal. It might have taken as much as another 20 years before economics killed it without a bloody, tragic war.
Secession would hardly have "destroyed" the US. It would have made it smaller, but the South had no intention of attacking.
People here go on and on about how brainwashed the young are when they come out of universities, and are totally unable to see that they have been lied to on the same scale about the WNA.
Well said! Excellent food for thought.
" Southerners knew that they were committing treason to the Union"
Road apples. The states voted to ratify the constitution--that is, to join the US--and a number of them in ratifying specifically reserved the right to withdraw at their own discretion.
They took a vote, and it was decided to withdraw. To call that treason is...well, tyrannical.
While you are at it, arm the traitor's M-16's with nukes so multiple millions in the North could be slaughtered so the profitable economic interests of the South's Cotton Empire, based on slave labour, would proceed uninterrupted?
After reviewing your comments in this thread, the insurrectionist leadership got off far too easy.
It appears that you have the idea that slavery was just a minor function of the CSA and that it was a democracy, holding popular votes.
Two very simple questions:
1. What percentage of the CSA population do you believe were slaves?
2. What percentage of the adult population do you believe was allowed to vote in the CSA?
Just estimate. Round numbers are fine.
You say he only brought the war to the rich folks of the south. The only problem is all the poor folks he raped and pillaged on his way to those "rich" folks. Alot of poor people starved to death because of this MONSTER!
some of those here in that food chain are not so young...just angry.
As a foreigner who grew up in NYC and lives south of the Mason/Dixon line
Both the Yanks and CSA had great commanders on the field of battle; both sides committed atrocities etc. War is hell, as most of us know, and the domain of hell was, during the civilwar/war between the states, within our country.
Secession from the union was due to economic reason, not slavery.
What we need is such figures as Grant and Lee, Sherman and Stonewall Jackson, and other commanders in Iraq.
I'm certain, these gentlemen would set their differences aside and fight for our country.
Why not? You Rebs do it all the time.
"I think he gave the Nazi's the idea for their Blitzkrieg. "
Ghengis Khan had Sherman beat by 600 years.
I see the Civil War still starts fights....:-)
Oh,...I also thought about attending this event next month, but...no....
"I see the Civil War still starts fights....:-)"
That's right. Lee and Jackson were entirely correct about that.
Being a Southernor and STILL a staunch secessionist, I have to applaud what you said here.
Grant owned Bobby Lee.....kicked his butt all over the south.
"It appears that you have the idea that slavery was just a minor function of the CSA and that it was a democracy, holding popular votes."
Does it? Does it appear that way to you, after I specifically called it a "Republican" government?
My goodness. I would have thought you understood the difference between a democracy and a republic.
"Just estimate."
I don't have to estimate squat. I've seen the numbers, and can easily find them again. It's irrelevant to me anyway, because smaller percentages than that would have the vote today if I had my way.
For instance, people who are told, "It's a republican form of government" and reply, "I guess you think it's a democracy" would not have the vote.
"some of those here in that food chain are not so young...just angry."
You don't have to be young. The rewriting of the history of the WNA started before the last veterans were even cold.
Some of those most certain of their position here would be astounded to read of the honors paid to General Lee and his wife by the veterans of the *North*.
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