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State goes after smokers who buy cigs on Web (Backlash predicted)
Spokesman Review ^ | August 1, 2005 | Richard Roesler

Posted on 08/03/2005 3:32:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper

OLYMPIA – Grady Russell thought he'd found a great bargain.

A smoker for more than six decades, the retired Ephrata, Wash., carpenter found an Internet company two years ago that sold cigarettes – taxed at the ultra-low Kentucky rate – for slightly more than $1 a pack. Delighted with the savings, Russell started placing orders, 10 cartons at a time.

Then, last year, he got a letter in the mail. The state Department of Revenue told him he owed Washington taxes on all those cigarettes.

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"I hate it," Russell said. But he paid up, dutifully calculating the number of shipments and sending in about $160 in state taxes for each one.

"It was thousands" of dollars, he said. "I'm afraid not to pay it."

He's not alone. Over the past 16 months, Washington tax collectors have sent out more than 8,000 letters like the one Russell got. So far, the state has collected more than $150,000 in unpaid cigarette taxes.

The money is only a tiny fraction of the estimated $140 million the state thinks it loses to contraband cigarettes each year. But collecting back taxes, a Department of Revenue spokesman says, is secondary to the state's larger goal: discouraging Washington residents from trying to avoid state taxes by buying tobacco over the Internet.

"What we're trying to do is educate people so they realize they're breaking the law," said spokesman Mike Gowrylow. The first letter requesting payment "is kind of voluntary," he said.

"We ask you to be a good citizen and pay it, but we don't send it to Collections," Gowrylow said. "But if we see your name again, we will."

Under state law, anyone found in possession of cigarettes without either a Washington state or state-authorized tribal tax stamp is subject to a fine of $250 or $10 a pack, whichever is greater.

Critics – including Russell – say the state simply is targeting an unpopular minority: smokers.

"Why aren't they going after the people who buy wine or tennis shoes or every other product sold over the Internet?" said Norman Kjono, a Redmond, Wash.-based columnist for www.forces.org, an advocacy group opposed to anti-tobacco and anti-obesity regulations.

"Smokers are always the easy, politically safe, no-backlash constituency to leech more money from," Kjono said.

Three years ago, Washington filed its first lawsuit against Internet tobacco dealer www.dirtcheapcig.com. The company – which billed itself as "the last refuge of the persecuted smoker" – was based in Paducah, Ky., where cigarette taxes are less than 3 cents per pack. (Washington's tax recently rose to more than $2.02 per pack.) Smokers like Russell paid the Kentucky tax but not the Washington tax.

Washington turned to a rarely used federal law from 1949: the Jenkins Act. Aimed at mail-order sales, the law requires tobacco companies to disclose lists of their customers in other states.

In recent years, the number of Internet-based tobacco sellers has mushroomed – a 2002 search by the Government Accounting Office found 147 such Web sites. Nearly a third assured buyers that they didn't report purchases to state tax officials.

The federal Internet Tax Freedom Act prohibited new or discriminatory taxes on Internet ventures out of concern that taxes might squelch technological growth. But according to the state and the GAO, the law doesn't shield companies from existing tax laws such as the Jenkins Act. Washington won its case.

Since then, several other larger Internet vendors have turned over lists of Washington customers. In a nationwide first, a tobacco seller based on Seneca Nation of Indians reservation land in New York agreed earlier this year to provide customer names.

"It is our intention to continue to file lawsuits," said Gowrylow. "We've got another one in the works." Against whom, he wouldn't say.

State attorneys general also have gotten several major credit card companies to stop letting people charge cigarette purchases online. And some shipping companies have agreed to stop carrying them, Gowrylow said.

Kjono agrees that the state taxes are due, but he predicts a political backlash from smokers. He says that if you count "social smokers" – peo-ople who might have a couple of cigarettes while drinking at a bar – about a quarter of Washington consumers can be considered smokers. Unfairly targeting smokers, he says, is chilling Internet commerce and angering voters who happen to smoke.

"It's not going to work that much longer," Kjono said.

In a surprise move last week, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle ordered the Wisconsin Department of Revenue to stop trying to collect seven years' worth of back taxes from people who bought from five online vendors.

"We had anticipated collecting about $3 million," said Meredith Helgerson, a department spokeswoman. The state had sent letters to about 1,000 Wisconsin residents and planned to write to 5,000 more.

"It's a legal and legitimate tax claim by the department, ... but the governor gave us a directive to halt, which we have," said Helgerson.

Doyle is "outraged" by the sale of cigarettes online and would like to see such sales banned, according to spokesman Dan Leistikow.

"He thinks it's a good thing that the state has taxes on tobacco, whether it's sold in a store or on the Internet, but that it's not a good use of resources to have the state going after a 70-year-old grandmother who bought a few cigarettes on the Internet," Leistikow said.

As for Russell, he now buys his Pall Mall Ultralight 100s at the grocery store, a pack at a time. At 73, he said, he feels no ill effect from decades of smoking.

He's trying to cut back but says he enjoys his longtime habit too much.

"Once you're in your 70s, you want to enjoy yourself and keep yourself comfortable," he said. "After you've smoked as long as I've smoked, quitting them is like quitting breathing."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antismoking; govwatch; pufflist; smoking; taxes
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To: newfrpr04

Haven't you heard? Washington state has all its crime problems solved. There are no potholes in the roads. It's a people's paradise!


21 posted on 08/03/2005 4:11:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: newfrpr04
Idaho sales tax is 5%, Washington's is 8. And Washington taxes cigarettes at an astronomical rate, while Idaho is quite a bit less, so many people come over the border to buy smokes. And yes, I kid you not, Washington state police have set up observation posts at random times to monitor border smoke shops and watch people who cross the border to bring back cigarettes into Washington.

Think about that: a legal product, already bought and paid for, including taxes, and you get stopped and cited because you bought it out of state. I don't see them doing that with gasoline, or groceries, or any other product.
22 posted on 08/03/2005 4:16:28 PM PDT by Biker Pat
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To: Biker Pat
...-you pay tax to the state you live in, but not work in, or vice versa

I think my brother had the same problem in PA when he was residing in Deleware. It's more income for the state from those who use none of the state's services

23 posted on 08/03/2005 4:16:33 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Fatiser Visus)
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To: BipolarBob

Tha last words my father spoke to me, while in the oxygen tent, were "You never smoked cigarettes did you Chuck?" "No Dad" I replied. He said "Don't ever start." He died a few weeks later of lung disease at the age of 72 after sixty years of smoking.

I remember him mentioning, when he was in his fifties, that he was up to three packs a day and should probably cut back and I remember that he always smoked Camel straights. In later years, he smoked filters and "Lights" and tried to quit but never quite managed it, even after he was diagnosed with emphasima(sp?)

Not that I am anti-tobacco. Far from it. I enjoy a good cigar several times a week and I even keep a well stocked humidor on my desk. I've been smoking cigars since Vietnam, 1967. I just never could get behind cigarettes. Never even tried them.


24 posted on 08/03/2005 4:17:50 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Biker Pat

I'm not a smoker, but I think the cigarette market has been and continues to be taxed and retaxed. Product is legal. It's no wonder people and businesses start doing things to get around it. You should be able to buy what you want with your tax free dollars (what's left of it from state/federal taxes). Old colonist had more guts that we do. We need another Boston Tea party !


25 posted on 08/03/2005 4:23:26 PM PDT by newfrpr04
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To: elkfersupper
Let me get this straight. If the sales tax on cigarettes approximates 30%, there will be massive evasion.

But if we put a sales tax of 30% on everything, everything will be just fine.

The Fair Tax won't work.

26 posted on 08/03/2005 4:23:38 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: elkfersupper
Oddly enough, they're only going after tobacco, not other goods.

At $16 a case, going after tobacco is going after the big money.

27 posted on 08/03/2005 4:25:56 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: elkfersupper

Personally I believe cigarettes ought to be outlawed completely. Then again the government would never do that because it would soon go broke of have to raise the missing tax money on something else.


28 posted on 08/03/2005 4:28:04 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (GWB a conservative? Don't make me laugh. Have you seen your borders?)
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To: elkfersupper
Oddly enough, they're only going after tobacco, not other goods.

For now....they're doing their thang one step at a time.

29 posted on 08/03/2005 4:28:08 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: elkfersupper

Here's the next progression:

CA, MA or some other socialist state wants to take a back door route to banning guns and ammo and decides to impose a punitive tax of, say $.50 per round, "for the children."

Lawful citizens of the state say "screw that!" and start buying ammo on line from out of state. State watchdogs let things roll for a few years then use the Jenkins Act to find these customers and hit them up for taxes and penaltys.

Score 1 for the state.


30 posted on 08/03/2005 4:32:34 PM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: trubluolyguy
Personally I believe cigarettes ought to be outlawed completely.

What else would you like to have outlawed?

31 posted on 08/03/2005 4:32:42 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Biker Pat

Same way with cigs purchased in Indiana by Michiganders.


32 posted on 08/03/2005 4:38:26 PM PDT by jammer
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To: elkfersupper
I just bought some Heartgard for my doggies from CanadaPharmacy for half the price I pay at my vet, no prescription required. We'll see.

I'd buy cigarettes on the web too except they don't handle my brand.

33 posted on 08/03/2005 4:38:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: ErnBatavia; SolidSupplySide
Three cheers for smugglers
34 posted on 08/03/2005 4:40:57 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Libertina; IslandJeff; theirjustdue; mattmullenix; Boazo; pollyannaish; The SISU kid; Nea Wood; ...
Thanks to Horatio Gates for the ping!


Evergreen State ping

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

35 posted on 08/03/2005 4:55:39 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: Biker Pat
I was amused to discover that the Boston Tea Party was held because the tariffs went up to a whopping 5%! That would be a steal these days...

As it was then.

36 posted on 08/03/2005 4:58:04 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: elkfersupper

>>>"Credit card companies and freight delivery services "volunteered" the information under threats of lawsuits by various states.

Oddly enough, they're only going after tobacco, not other goods"<<<

Just step one, they will get around to everything else in due time.


37 posted on 08/03/2005 5:00:55 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: ex-Texan

Actually I have done that from a place in Switzerland - Duty free and I got a letter from the BATFE saying they have ceased my shipment's at an airport, New York city. Apparently they don't like non taxable tobacco coming into the USA either

:o)


38 posted on 08/03/2005 5:01:21 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: blam
I'd buy cigarettes on the web too except they don't handle my brand.

I switched about a year ago. Now buying from the Indians. These are fabulous. $10 per carton plus shipping.

Bien Mur

39 posted on 08/03/2005 5:01:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: TexasTransplant
Just step one, they will get around to everything else in due time.

I agree. Right before the next civil war, or right before the productive people just quit working / investing.

40 posted on 08/03/2005 5:08:58 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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