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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 12
Various News Outlets | 8/2/05

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; bethandjug; carloscharlies; daviejoneslocker; deepak; disappear; drugcartel; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; getalife; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessedkooks; yawn
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To: cajungirl

The world WAS a lot nicer cagungirl when we were 18 I'm sure.


1,981 posted on 08/05/2005 10:08:07 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I know I am preaching to the choir on this. We will have to let the chips fall where they may for now. Did (Gary) Special Forces go on vaction? I have not seen him on the thread lately. Do you have any intell? NSNR

I'm still around, and just saw your post. I took a break for the past week after spending several days in Washington, D.C. helping a buddy after he went through back surgery. His wife is in Russia until the 8th. Dang, the traffic is horrible there. It took me 3.5 hours to drive 40 miles a week ago Friday.
1,982 posted on 08/05/2005 11:12:27 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Howdy CO, sorry I missed you the other, nice to see you again.

It's clear this young man knew no boundaries.

I wonder about the fact that he is humongous, seems to run tight with those who will follow his lead (the brothers), introduced himself as student from Holland and 19.

Obviously, he can easily pass for that, given his physical size. It does appear, strangely enough, that he might be losing his hair...might he be suffering from some physical malaise as well as growth spurt?

In other words, Dr Tom Cruise's vitamins and exercise might not be what this kids needs to cure what ails him. Why do I think there are some dead animals in his past? Given Greta's repot on the terrible situation with dogs in Aruba, I would not be surprised.

I that said, I am totally baffled with the number of lawyers working on his behalf...that fact alone does lead me to rethink the slave trade angle. Something much bigger is at work here, it's not just the Aruba economy.

So let's look this over: Key suspect has at least 4-5 lawyers per Tito (due to those pesky vacations people insist on taking) although Beth said she learned there are 9 lawyers working on his case.

I go with Beth.

Key witness flees country, for various fears.

Another key witness story was briefly reviewed, cursory at best, then told they would re-look in a few weeks (gee, think the dump would have enough chit piled on by then?)

Police chief (godfather of key suspect) prevents all kinds of silly stuff from happening:
=forensics the first night from the 3 boys who were with her
=forensics from the car she was last seen in
=statements from the three, plus papa, as well as those at C&C documented the morning she was discovered missing

Why was it Beth and Jug were the ones who found out who she ended up leaving with, why were they the first to talk to the VDS...the who's one first cops were busy looking for what for second base in order to continue their distract and fumble routine.

How silly to ever think police would seriously look for a 18 year old girl who vanished in the night, without a trace.

But by God, don't set foot in Aruba without a proper work permit, if we've learned anything, we now they have their eyes on the ball where it counts.
1,983 posted on 08/05/2005 11:44:13 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: cajungirl
about sending your kids off into the world...

...well, you can't stop them once they have their own money..

but to foot the bill to send kids knowing that they being kids WILL drink, WILL be exposed to drugs, WILL probably be sharing bedrooms , WILL be able to gamble,and WILL be able to hire prostitutes as they desire...

well, its nuts to me.....

I wonder how many parents send their kids on these excursions and then demand that they have single sex dorms at their colleges......

sometimes we parents say one thing, and then support an entirely differant thing if its the "cool" thing or the "chic" thing to do, or if other parents are allowing it......sad...

1,984 posted on 08/05/2005 11:50:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Froufrou
"Just tired of ppl 'accusing' NH of being a boy crazy slut who got what she deserved "

can you point out that post?......I'll gladly take them on if I knew who said that and where..

1,985 posted on 08/05/2005 11:54:06 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Rusty Roberts
Why do I think there are some dead animals in his past?

Because there are. He killed their family dog and blamed it on one of his friends, then later admitted it. I heard it here on these threads.

1,986 posted on 08/06/2005 12:06:24 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Palladin
you know, sometimes persons of a little lower intelligence are actually MORE TRUTHFUL and MORE BELIEVABLE exactly because they are not as coniving and evil as a smarter person is.....

maybe he's believable because it would be impossible for him to make the story up......

keep digging....look how long it took to find the Hacking girl in Utah....

1,987 posted on 08/06/2005 12:06:26 AM PDT by cherry
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To: texasbluebell

I just can see the kidnap angle. This country cannot afford to have numerous tourist kidnappings. The international drug and money laundering is a different story.


1,988 posted on 08/06/2005 12:15:41 AM PDT by doc
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
" He says the're sluts "

LOL....this reminds me of what my college aged son said once...that all the girls at college WERE sluts......and all this time , I thought that was the kind of girl he liked.......lol

seriously, good men still want to call the shots and be the aggressor, not the other way around....

1,989 posted on 08/06/2005 12:29:34 AM PDT by cherry
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To: IIntense

Good Morning!!

Tall guys! At age 15 I kissed the first boy I ever kissed. I was 5'4 and felt so over tall because I got that height when I was like 10 and gawked over everyone. The boy was 6'4 and two years older.

I don't know about yall but it was the best kiss of my life. He was so tall, I felt dainty and petite and my knees went weak, really, just like in romance novels. He passed me by with a single kiss and my heart was broken. To this day, nearly fifty years later, I remember it. And Elvis Pressley was singing the flip side of HeartBreak Hotel in the background,,I think the song was I was the One. I met him at Baptist Training Union and have been forever grateful for Baptists ever since. He is now a fireman!


1,990 posted on 08/06/2005 5:14:53 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: stlnative

Stlnative,
Do you think they have been to the Hampton's to see the hottest of the hottest? I think in social upward mobilty, possibily upper working class families at the most.

I myself fail to see any significant emotional(as you do) trauma associated by this group who lost a good friend under these type circumstances.

I sum it up as the me, myself and I philosophy ingrained in their thinking motors. The term friend or good friend has morphed into a lackadaisical apathetic allusion to what it used to be in life.

In America, a friend will help you move, but in Aruba a fiend will help you move a body and perpetuate a lie.

As I See It,
NSNR-FH


1,991 posted on 08/06/2005 5:16:08 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
In America, a friend will help you move, but in Aruba a fiend will help you move a body Great quote. Can I steal it?
1,992 posted on 08/06/2005 5:23:52 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: gg188

GG, doesn't this scenario bring to mind the song by, Rockwell. "Sombody's Watching Me?"

It is apparent on this island cesspool, "Dirt Nap Inc" is playing a major role behind the scenes in suppressing valuable information.

America needs to come down hard on this pimple of a country and who ever it entails.

Justice Percieved is Justice Achieved,
NSNR-TB


1,993 posted on 08/06/2005 5:25:40 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Rusty Roberts

RR,
I this happens, I do hope the VDS are constantly hounded until they take their rightful place in hell including the DeNoPack Bros.

If fate plays right, maybe some paper will be placed on all of them, if they walk. "No Where to Run, No Where to Hide."
When the Machine Breaks Down, We Break Down,
NSNR-PLT.


1,994 posted on 08/06/2005 5:31:29 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: texasbluebell; Toespi
Several threads back, I posted a link to the crime states in Birmingham, AL. In every category listed, the crime rate in Birmingham was quite a bit higher than the nat'l average...2-3 times higher.

Birmingham Crime Stats

Atlanta Crime Stats

Birmingham area map

And, I found this little snippet: Birmingham, Ala., ranked 12th among the nation’s deadliest cities, and Alabama third among states...

Law Enforcement News

1,995 posted on 08/06/2005 5:37:46 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

VN Survivor 67-68,
Legalization of these types of drugs for use, is just anothr part of the CPUSA-Far Left Crowds (Communist Manifesto Plan) I do hope Gary returns, he has a vast amount of knowledge and experience that enlightens many on this site.
Goin to the hooch for a cold one,
NSNR


1,996 posted on 08/06/2005 5:41:05 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: texasbluebell
I hope this turns out like Eliz Smart. Oh how I hope.

Now there's a case! I think it was a travesty! Remember when highly regarded crime artists came in to draw a rendering of the perp since Elizabeth's little sister SAW HIM. And the family would not allow the drawing to be released to the media. I remember the hooplah around this.

I believe the family, having seen the drawing knew it was a Mormon fundamentalist and quashed it knowing it would bring disgrace on Mormons and that Elizabeth was gone but probably not dead.

Then she shows up in SLC walking freely with her captors even though she could have, but didn't, leave.

Now, we will never hear this trial as the perps have been very conveniently determined to be "mentally incompetent".

We'll never hear from Elizabeth as to why she calmly got her shoes and walked out of the house with him ... even stopping to use the bathroom.This case reveals the worst of SLC IMO.

1,997 posted on 08/06/2005 5:44:45 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Be a Good Mullah Now ...)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

AIB,
I wish the dog would have ripped Urine's throat out. Realistically, it would be just placing another POS in the trash can. No deposit No return.
Later On,
NSNR


1,998 posted on 08/06/2005 5:45:25 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: theophilusscribe

That "disgusting pix of Joran".......
where does it say that's him??
Is that a porn site?

Yuk!


1,999 posted on 08/06/2005 5:45:45 AM PDT by stopem
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To: cajungirl

Cajungirl,
My wife for the weekend saw, Urine's picture. Wifey, informed me she had seen better looking faces on the back of an (Iodine Bottle.)

Tripping in the Darkness,
NSNR


2,000 posted on 08/06/2005 5:51:46 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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