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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: WildTurkey

It's OK Mr. Gobble. But I don't think I was part of this, but it is interesting isn't it?


521 posted on 08/01/2005 7:27:43 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: b_sharp

Little beestie.


523 posted on 08/01/2005 7:29:05 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: bobdsmith
"There is one other carnivorous catapillar in the world btw, also found on hawaii. It catches and eats flies.

God I love nature.

524 posted on 08/01/2005 7:29:10 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp

If you keep this up I may have to get out my damn book!


525 posted on 08/01/2005 7:31:21 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
It's OK Mr. Gobble. But I don't think I was part of this, but it is interesting isn't it?

You had posted about Ichy and surmised that we needed more information so I tagged you with a couple of posts with more information. Maybe not what you expected, but you were handy.

526 posted on 08/01/2005 7:31:22 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: furball4paws
"Hate to disappoint you, but I posted a thread on this last night. "

Yah? And no one called us? You need a slap upside the head.
Grumble grumble frizzn frakid ...

527 posted on 08/01/2005 7:31:45 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: 1dadof3
Now thats not playing fair! You know your not supposed to be asking those questions of them. What is it with you people anyway? You should be able to read those pre-cmabrian fossil records. Its all there, cant you see?

LMAO!!

Chariot
528 posted on 08/01/2005 7:31:54 PM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: 1dadof3

At least you don't have a problem with Dr. Collins and his views on evolution. Thank you.


529 posted on 08/01/2005 7:32:26 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I'd sure like to know how those came about without the aid of an intelligent agent.

>=6 million years of evolution as a social mammal.

530 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:10 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Quick1
Why don't you demand scientific proof of the Theory of Gravitation, or scientific proof of the Atomic Theory?

These theories have greater certitude. Both are within the realm of current observation, testability, etc. Both are also in need of further revision, no doubt. The notion that man is the product of a 4.5 billion year-or-more history of unguided phsyical processes is a shade more difficult to offer up as firmly as those theories you mentioned, yathink?

531 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Blzbba
Of course, it's also been mathematically proven that there isn't enough water on the planet to flood the entire planet but no sense in letting evil, godless science spoil a good fairy tale!

Be sure to remind yourself of that one as you stand before the Great White Throne Judgment. Apparantly you sincerely believe that conclusion will save you from it.

532 posted on 08/01/2005 7:34:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: WildTurkey

It's OK and it was interesting, but I was talking to bobdsmith about Ichy's posts on the snail-eating caterpillars on another thread.

Man these things acan get complicated, so complicated that IT MUST BE INTELLIGENT DESIGN. But I assure you most of my babbling borders on the unintelligent 8-)


533 posted on 08/01/2005 7:35:10 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: b_sharp
6 million years of evolution as a social mammal.

And you base this conclusion on what prior assumptions?

535 posted on 08/01/2005 7:35:37 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: b_sharp; PatrickHenry

You have to be on the "Meat Eating Caterpillar" ping list. See PH.


536 posted on 08/01/2005 7:36:44 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Ichneumon

Oh, wow! Deep curtsey to you, Sir!


537 posted on 08/01/2005 7:37:24 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US www.LifeEthics.org)
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To: 1dadof3

"after all we are just undereducated, wild eyed, Christian fundamentalist, know nothings.....until you ask for scientific proof..."

...and then they post a great bulk evidence, you ignore it, and go on being undereducated, wild eyed, Christian fundamentalist, know nothings


538 posted on 08/01/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: 1dadof3
When does evolution begin?? how does it begin??

Evolution is a process that naturally occurs whenever a type of object can reproduce, but with slight infrequent imperfections. The various imperfections are variants. Those variants that have more chance of reproduction tend to spread, and those variants that have less chance of reproduction tend to disapear.

539 posted on 08/01/2005 7:38:37 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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