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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: Tribune7
Post 27 was to an evo skeptic. How about this: He hits the nail on the head, however, about a general, and undeniable, assault on religion, of which religious people see evolution as part. Would you disagree with that?

You might add that Krauthammer also emphasized that that sort of thing was disappearing, what with government support of religious non-profits helping poor people etc. I don't know if I'd have agreed with him on that, but he emphasized it. Which is why your assertion that Krauthammer "hit the nail on the head" about some assault on religion surprised me.

201 posted on 08/01/2005 1:47:51 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: narby
Every word in the Bible is sacred. And true.

Kinda LOOKS that way, doesn't it!


2 Timothy 3

16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

202 posted on 08/01/2005 1:50:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Blzbba

Very interesting tagline......


203 posted on 08/01/2005 1:51:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: WildHorseCrash
That is a very interesting article. It's like the creationists are like cultists who have to undergo deprogramming. Interesting.

Cultists do believe in some wierd stuff. The spaceship to take them home is flying behind the Hale-Bopp comet. The Koolaid will take you home to God. The universe came to exist in six days.

All wierd stuff, supported by zero evidence.

204 posted on 08/01/2005 1:51:53 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Tribune7

"there is a concern stemming from he recognition that it has been used in many cases to advance philosophical or social causes that violate fundamental American beliefs."

This concern seems to me to be extremely overblown. There is a paranoia to this way of thinking that is out of line with anything seen in reality.

Besides, even if true, it does not alter the scientific fact of evolution.


205 posted on 08/01/2005 1:53:16 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dimensio
That you two have found a nit to pick and appear to be liking it may be evidence of a shared common descent with chimps. . . When did I say that your inaccurate commentary on the article was evidence for evolution?

LOL. What we have here is a problem with fundamentalist literalist missing a metaphor.

206 posted on 08/01/2005 1:54:46 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Ichneumon; Alouette

INHALE!!!

However, every once in a while a virus's invasion plans don't function exactly as they should, and the virus's DNA (or portions of it) gets embedded into the cell's DNA in a "broken" manner.

There's them PLANS again!!!

207 posted on 08/01/2005 1:56:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp
I bet he never read any of it. Maybe he's afraid to? Whaddya think?

You're probably right. I think there are many creationists that have this fear that if they let go of their fantasies then they'll be lost forever.

It's to bad they cannot have their faith and reality too. But Genesis will not let them.

208 posted on 08/01/2005 1:57:00 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Junior; narby
Junior; how's your faith?

Is it in the same league as Narby's now?

209 posted on 08/01/2005 2:00:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Kinda LOOKS that way, doesn't it!

Elsie, I'm Dionysus, the God of wine. Come drink my wine and you will live forever.

Now you gonna believe that? So the Bible claims that all scripture is God-breathed. Well of course it claims that. Duh.

210 posted on 08/01/2005 2:00:31 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: narby
You might add that Krauthammer also emphasized that that sort of thing was disappearing

He did say that, albeit I disagree. We can't read the Bible in a positive sense in schools -- even if it is part of a personal activities day. Teachers take a chance if they teach that the Declaration of Independence means what it says about a Creator.

A judge can't put up a display of the 10 Commandments in his courtroom, although if he wanted to set aside part of it for an exhibit of cutting-edge art, I doubt a challenge on First Amendment grounds would be accepted.

211 posted on 08/01/2005 2:01:44 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Junior
Other way around, IIRC. Shemp => Curley => Curley Joe.
I stand corrected, although Shemp both preceded and replaced Curely. (Shemp was replaced by Joe Besser and Curley Joe DeRita, though I am not sure of the order.)
212 posted on 08/01/2005 2:01:54 PM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Junior
You're acting like a 10-year-old. Would you care to discuss the information Ichneumon included in his post...

If anyone DID, then you "E" dudes would holler, "You got no credentials!!!"

213 posted on 08/01/2005 2:02:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Alouette
"Scientists should use scientific language, not poetry, that's why they are scientists and not poets. "

If it makes the message easier to grasp of course hey should, as long as the readers understand they are literary devices.

Are these snippets that were posted from the primary literature or from some journalist's presentation of it?

214 posted on 08/01/2005 2:02:13 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: riverdawg
Actually, science is built on *skepticism* about the ability to replicate the observations of others. It is this healthy skepticism that accounts for progress in refining, and occasionally overturning, scientific theories of the past.

Sure. But at some point, you have to accept what's been done & build on it -- otherwise every scientist is re-inventing the wheel. And there is certainly faith across disciplines -- somebody specializing in quantum mechanics is not going to know much about botany themselves, but that doesn't mean they disbelieve what botanists say about plants until it's rigorously proven to them personally.

215 posted on 08/01/2005 2:02:17 PM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: malakhi

Argument by literary short cut placemarker.


216 posted on 08/01/2005 2:02:30 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Elsie
There's them PLANS again!!!

I hate to bring it to you Elsie, but DNA is a plan. An evolved plan, just like the Avida program demonstrates at Caltech.

217 posted on 08/01/2005 2:03:11 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Zeroisanumber
So, how long was a "day" for God?

Sometimes it's a thousand years.

218 posted on 08/01/2005 2:04:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: highball
Besides, even if true, it does not alter the scientific fact of evolution.

The claim that all life evolved undirected from a single cell (now actually a group of cells-- score one for the creationists) is not a scientific fact.

219 posted on 08/01/2005 2:05:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Elsie

"Methinks thou shouldest read the Book again...."


A. It's "Methinkgs thou shouldeth readeth thine Book againe..." ( ;) )


B. Mud...clay...whatever.


220 posted on 08/01/2005 2:05:18 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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