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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: Dimensio
Who can take you serious oh angry flower.. great leader of the demented knuckleheads?


1,601 posted on 08/04/2005 10:27:52 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: Right Wing Professor
Ooops...I wrote "It is a theory a theorem."

What I meant to say - and you could never have figured it out - was:

"It (evolution) is a theory NOT a theorem."

You ask me if English is my first language. No it is not. Actually my first language is Greek (modern although I can read classical Greek as well). Second is English, third is Italian, and fourth is Japanese (not as good as the first two). Also studied 4 years of Latin in HS.

1,602 posted on 08/04/2005 10:49:38 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Right Wing Professor
Depends on the cause of death. Often, it's a few quarts of blood.

Could be the addition of something, like a .45 slug.

1,603 posted on 08/04/2005 11:14:12 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Just wanted to offer something of value to the discussion.:-)

I am a professional computer fix it dude.


1,604 posted on 08/04/2005 11:16:12 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: eleni121
It (evolution) is a theory NOT a theorem.

A theory in science is a much more substantial thing than a theory in the vernacular. 'Theory' in the scientific sense does not imply any element of doubt; thus, we have the 'theory of universal gravitation', and the 'atomic theory', both of which are most certainly true.

1,605 posted on 08/04/2005 11:21:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: balrog666
so then if you add blood to a .45 slug its alive. H*** throw some electricity at it too. Its alive! Its alive!
1,606 posted on 08/04/2005 11:22:45 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: b_sharp
Just wanted to offer something of value to the discussion.:-) I am a professional computer fix it dude.

You're way over-modest. :-)

Actually, I know the problem; my disk-drive power supply is out. The real issue is whether a 5 year old Mac G3 is worth a whole lot of trouble to fix.

1,607 posted on 08/04/2005 11:23:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Dimensio
The difference being that neither Bush nor his aides have ever invited Nazis to speak on their behalf.

And you get your 'reliable' news from The Pitch. LOL

1,608 posted on 08/04/2005 11:29:35 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Mac G3?

I thought you said you had a computer? ;->


1,609 posted on 08/04/2005 11:33:53 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Dimensio
The difference being that neither Bush nor his aides have ever invited Nazis to speak on their behalf.

And the article you posted from "The Pitch" (LOL) doesn't say anything about anyone being invited to speak on 'their' behalf. Seems you need to be deceitful to further your own agenda. Tsk, tsk.

1,610 posted on 08/04/2005 11:36:56 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Of course, a theory implies that a consensus of scientists accept it - in the science sense. However, as you are aware, many scientific theories accepted by a consensus of scientists at one time or another have been debunked over the years. Theories change, times change, and the search for ? goes on. What many Christian faithful (including many scientists) ask for is that creatinoism/darwinism not be taught as the truth - as proven fact because it is not! Teaching it that way, contricts the creative thinking processes of budding scientists.

After all, asserting that amino acids can be changed to DNA because of natural selection or fluxes in physical energy, or that reptiles morph into birds, or humans into apes makes no sense and cannot really be justified scientifically.


1,611 posted on 08/04/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
"However, as you are aware, many scientific theories accepted by a consensus of scientists at one time or another have been debunked over the years."

An example is?

1,612 posted on 08/04/2005 12:02:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: b_sharp; All

With an unknown AMOUNT of terms, let alone knowing the CHANCES of any one one term happening, this whole ODDS thing is a waste of time.

Let's make it simple:

What are the ODDS that a human will be born that can detect infrared like rattlers can?


1,613 posted on 08/04/2005 12:22:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp

What?

You got no response from our friends on the other side of the aisle??

I thought they wanted us crevos to learn something!!!


HMmmm........


1,614 posted on 08/04/2005 12:24:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp
xzins also explained it to me a few posts earlier.

What?

You got no response from our friends on the other side of the aisle??

I thought they wanted us crevos to learn something!!! HMmmm........

1,615 posted on 08/04/2005 12:24:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: malakhi

Oh, there's more.........


1,616 posted on 08/04/2005 12:25:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
And so far, no creationist has complained about this practice of using taxpayer money to fund Islamic extremists.

Oh...

NOW they are EXTREMISTS as well.


Ok, you E folks are supporting TERROR when you buy gas from blah, blah, blah!


Gosh! That feels SO good!

1,617 posted on 08/04/2005 12:27:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Casloy

GOES insane?


1,618 posted on 08/04/2005 12:28:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: eleni121
What many Christian faithful (including many scientists) ask for is that creatinoism/darwinism not be taught as the truth - as proven fact because it is not!

Should we teach the atomic theory as proven fact, or just as one alternative?

Teaching it that way, contricts the creative thinking processes of budding scientists.

Does teaching that ordinary matter is made of atoms constrict the thought processes of budding chemists?

After all, asserting that amino acids can be changed to DNA because of natural selection or fluxes in physical energy, or that reptiles morph into birds, or humans into apes makes no sense and cannot really be justified scientifically.

No scientist I know asserts any of those things.

1,619 posted on 08/04/2005 12:30:18 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: balrog666
Could be the addition of something, like a .45 slug.

Oh great Derringer, god of death, hearken unto us!

1,620 posted on 08/04/2005 12:31:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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