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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.

To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: acanthostega; charleskrauthammer; creation; crevolist; faith; ichthyostega; krauthammer; science; scienceeducation; scopes; smallpenismen
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To: durasell
Our challenge, as I see it, is to elect hot babes to school boards across the country.

Won't matter much, as they'll STILL get their marching orders from Washington!

1,221 posted on 08/03/2005 7:50:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: durasell
(We should all protest fight for more civilized debate)
1,222 posted on 08/03/2005 7:51:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Ichneumon
A new theory that explains why the language of our genes is more complex than it needs to be also suggests that the primordial soup where life began on earth was hot and not cold, as many scientists believe.
 

 
new
theory:           What was wrong with the OLD one?
 
explains,  needs: We're sure THIS time! 
 
suggests, believe:    At least I THINK we are......

1,223 posted on 08/03/2005 7:57:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

These threads inspire hostility in normally calm and reasonable people. Humor helps...


1,224 posted on 08/03/2005 7:58:30 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: WildHorseCrash
And if you are insulted by the use of Islamic, then you are a poor pathetic, ignorant fool.

NOW will you whimpering off into the darkness????

1,225 posted on 08/03/2005 7:58:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: narby
Why on earth would that "scare" them?

UH... because civilization, as we know it, will COLLAPSE???

1,226 posted on 08/03/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MEGoody

Nope. You were where I started reading this morning, realizing I had SO much to wade through!


1,227 posted on 08/03/2005 8:02:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Gumlegs

;^)


1,228 posted on 08/03/2005 8:04:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: durasell

NO IT doesn't!!!!!


1,229 posted on 08/03/2005 8:05:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Yea!!!!

Lunch time!

1,230 posted on 08/03/2005 8:06:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: durasell
These threads inspire hostility in normally calm and reasonable people. Humor helps...

The idea of teaching myths as fact in public schools is a serious subject. Attempts at "humor" do not calm such discussions, they antagonize those who see this as a serious subject.

Elsie is one of the principle antagonists in this discussion, and hasn't added anything new for months.

For all I can tell, Elsie is an atheist pro-evolution troll, attempting to make creationists look stupid.

1,231 posted on 08/03/2005 8:09:41 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
No problem, most myths have enough gods to be permitted.

Et vice versa.

1,232 posted on 08/03/2005 8:11:44 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: WildHorseCrash
Let's then try approaching this from several new directions.

Consider the civilizational consequences of atheism and aggressive secularism: they are strongly correlated with declining birthrate and national and civilizational decline. Spengler at the Asia Times has done a fine job of analyzing the data and putting his views on a solid foundation.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GH02Aa01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/ED08Aa01.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FI08Aa01.html

As for domestic politics, faithful, Red Staters tend to marry, produce children -- and vote Republican in consequence of those life choices. The statistical evidence is compelling.

http://www.isteve.com/BabyGap.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/opinion/07brooks.html?ex=1260162000&en=ebdde83f03fe6d2e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

And, to draw this back to media distortions of science, George Neumayr has hit the target on the abortion issue.

http://www.theamericanprowler.com/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8531

Neumayer's analysis applies to evolution as well. An aggressively secular and faith-hostile public school system and allied cultural elites and an accommodating news media news have promoted a false account of evolution as somehow disproving Christianity and the existence of God.

Of course, like other parents, most Christian parents cannot make sense of evolution or any other complex bit of science, but they do not want evolution or anything else used to undermine the religious faith and instruction of their children. For that, Christian parents get pilloried as dummies, obscurantists, and book burners.

As Herb Stein famously observed, "that which can not go on forever won’t." Spengler's gloomy assessment may in the end be contradicted by events. In America, at least, evolution-worshiping, abortion-loving, left-voting Blue State atheists seem certain to diminish in numbers relative to married, children producing, conservative Red Staters.

Or, to state the scenario in term of evolution, the greater fertility and fitness of the faith-believing Red State species make them likely to prevail over the less fit and less fertile Blue State species. Now that is a kind of evolution that even Pat Robertson could heartily approve.
1,233 posted on 08/03/2005 8:13:03 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: narby

It's working.


1,234 posted on 08/03/2005 8:15:34 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Science is the study of physical reality. It SHOULD be studied isolated from political or religious beliefs.


1,235 posted on 08/03/2005 8:16:22 AM PDT by FierceKulak
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To: xzins
"Intelligent design is a mathematical model that demonstrates how improbable it is for inanimate objects to combine into animate ones. Its math says that it very nearly approaches zero, and that, in fact, you have a far better chance of winning the next 280,000,000 dollar Lotto. (And you know how good that chance is for YOU. :>)

Nice example of its lack of theory and inability to show design.

"One verification of this rarity would seem to be the lack of oodles of alien life forms from the billions upon billions of planets that must exist among the unimaginable number of stars."

You can see the surface of all those billions of other planets? Wow. Better talk to the astronomers.

1,236 posted on 08/03/2005 8:16:38 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: wallcrawlr

I agree with the premise that evolution is a THEORY and should be taught as a THEORY only.

I believe that religion (and I do attend church 2 times per week) has no place in SCIENCE class, just like I don't want to study dinosaurs in church.


1,237 posted on 08/03/2005 8:19:10 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (GWB a conservative? Don't make me laugh. Have you seen your borders?)
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To: Ichneumon
No it was a case of I don't take you and your demented pal serious beyond a certain level. Therefore I tire of your 'logic'.
If these replies to me are in your minds clever victories,.. I could say more but it would not be nice.

What it is is you types take yourselves way too serious.
What it is is a metaphor of what you and the demented types don't see about the huge gaps of and leaps of faith too.. you apply your science.

So claim your victory. What have you won? Lay it at the metaphorical altar of your dead evolutionism.
1,238 posted on 08/03/2005 8:23:10 AM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: xzins
"I think there've been exactly zero finds of extra-terrestrial life at this point. If there had been, Lord knows we would've heard about it a gazillion times."

How many other planets have we investigated closely enough to determine if life exists or not? Possibly one, Mars. Even then we have not yet scratched the surface.

You are basing your premise of no extraterrestrial life found, on the investigation of one other planet out of how many possible planets?

Can you not see the fault in that premise?

"So far as highly advanced life forms"

And the probability of us being in contact with other intelligent organisms is exactly what? Don't forget to factor in both geometric and temporal distances.

By the way, does not ID suggest the designer may be extra terrestrial life? Ironic that you push ID yet forget that little nugget.

1,239 posted on 08/03/2005 8:28:15 AM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry
ID is to science what gay marriage is to marriage.

Inane analogies such as the above amply demonstrate the warped logic necessary to palm off evolutionism as science.

1,240 posted on 08/03/2005 8:28:25 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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