Posted on 07/30/2005 8:15:50 AM PDT by Asphalt
FORT COLLINS, Colo. — Never mind officials voiding a $50 ticket for indecent exposure, or an explanation from county officials that a ranger who issued the citation to the breast-feeding mother was inexperienced.
Dorian Ryan said she wants an apology for what she called a "humiliating and degrading" experience.
"This isn't right. Women shouldn't be harassed for breast-feeding their children," Dorian Ryan said.
Colorado lawmakers agree. A law passed last year gives women the right to breast feed anywhere she's allowed to be in public.
Ryan, 43, was ticketed for indecent exposure July 14 when she breast fed her son at the Carter Lake swim beach in Larimer County. She was shielded from view by two umbrellas and a towel.
An inexperienced park ranger mistakenly issued the ticket, said Dan Rieves, manager of the Blue Mountain District, which oversees the beach. Park officials have voided the ticket.
Rieves, who has been in contact with Ryan, said a written apology would be sent Friday.
Well worth repeating; thank you. BTTT.
Officers who write tickets for BS reasons such as being on power trips, to make quotas, or because they are clueless on the laws they are supposed to enforce do not deserve any respect either. An apology is the least they can do.
>>Name any minuses to successful breastfeeding to the baby. We are not discussing inconvenience to adult parents here. Be sure to cite your sources.<<
Your response was not mainly to the point. Note the word "successful".
In large part, physicians are not trained in the advantages or techniques of breastfeeding. So I woudn't use most of them as sources. Medical websites are generally not the best sources either. The fact that physicians are ill-informed about breastfeeding adds to unsuccessful breastfeeding statistics. A lot of what you find on such sites is geared to medical intervention in a natural process.
Toxicity is often overstated, but in cases of real danger, then of course artificial milk should be substituted.
In actual fact, breast milk protects from most illness as it contains immune factors. For example if the mother is getting a cold, before she feels symptoms, the baby is getting immune factors for that specific virus. The baby will probably avoid the cold or get a milder case.
Just in the last two years two vital substances were added to artificial formula. No physician knew about these quantities that were recently found in breast milk. Natural milk is still being investigated and all the myriad advantages are not catalogued. Some of them are at:
https://my.inova.com/public/healthresearch/content_display_full.cfm?DOC_ID=P06824
http://www.storknet.com/cubbies/breast/newmanprotects.htm
This one also lists toxic or inadequate formulas over two decades:
http://www.parentingweb.com/lounge/whybf.htm
It is unfortunate that your neighbors were unsuccessful. All of us have positive and negative anecdotes to relate. It remains to be seen if said 'muscular' condition meant breastfeeding had to stop. Some reasons for low milk production are poor diet, not enough nursing time, poor technique in nursing, social pressure, and not enough body fat to produce adequate milk.
I didn't say those teeth interfered with breast feeding. I said they get them for a reason - so they can start eating solid food.
OH, and breast feeding does NOT prevent pregnancy. It only LOWERS THE RISK FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, and there is no guarantee of even that. A little "fact-a-roo" you are ignoring. A woman can become pregnant even BEFORE she restarts her menstrual cycle after delivering a child. Even many breastfeeding mothers restart in less than 2 months after delivery.
The number of women with children only 1 year apart and breastfeeding both gives the lie to your assertions.
Not always.
Her allergist was pleased that my 18-month-old was still mainly nursing. Turns out that she had many undiagnosed food and other allergies. She was instinctively avoiding most foods we were offering! Her allergies were not causing other symptoms like rashes but were keeping her and us up at night.
Her solid food intake increased upon allergy treatment and upon our learning the foods she could tolerate. She began to sleep a lot more soundly. I also quit eating those foods for the duration of breast feeding.
Oh yes, again!
Too funny! Do you always refer to them like that?
Oh absolutely. In fact, I read an article that said that doctors with good bedside manners are less likely to be sued than the ones who come across as arrogant jerks.
Do I detect a certain theme here?
Hmmm?
Agree to disagree, General.
Like I said elsewhere, you are concerned with the motives of this woman. I am more concerned about the salutory effects on overbearing public officials who have to apologise. Once the apology is issued, the acceptance and reform are a whole lot easier because the public shame and humiliation are already done with.
UNLESS...
How do you think most families slept until a few centuries ago? Answer: together. For natural spacing to work as God designed it, one sleeps with the baby, and gives no pacifier or solids or supplement bottles (even containing breast milk). Old wives' tales about smothering the baby are just that, assuming responsible drug-free parents--see list below.
IOW all sucking needs must be met at the breast 24/7 and nighttime nursing needs to be on demand. Also 'wearing the baby' is a sling or baby backpack for a portion of the day is recommended.
Find more at--
Attachment Parenting ; Creating a Bond that will last a lifetime:
http://mamasbaby.com/resources.php
Plus information on sleep benefits from
http://gaelenbillingsley.com/Gaelen/Parenting/Attachment/index.asp?a=7
Above site also lists these:
Contraindications for sleep sharing:
1. Never sleep with your baby if you have been drinking or using drugs!
2. Never put your baby to sleep on a water bed or other soft surface!
3. It is better to have a young baby on the side of mother away from dad, as not all fathers have the benefit of the mothering instincts that keep mom from rolling over on the baby.
4. Smokers should not sleep with babies because the toxins that remain on their skin and clothes have been shown to increase the risk of S.I.D.S..
5. Mothers who are morbidly obese should avoid sleep sharing.
I realize what is described is not attractive for most on the go baby-in-the-nursery type folks. But this total 'lifestyle' works to baby-space and not because Dad and Mom are denied their marital rights. (Just slip off to another bed for sex.)
I don't think there is a salutory effect on officials who "have" to apologize. I think it only makes them angrier and more hostile.
If the employee who triggered this incident has also caused other problems, or does so in the future, she should be fired. If not, forcing her to write an apology she doesn't mean is worth nada.
This is my opinion, with which you are welcome to disagree.
This is the theory that leads to never spanking or disciplining children.
I think it's below the least they can do, to the point of not being worth the effort. A reduction in pay, a written reprimand in the permanent personnel file, or (if they're incorrigible) an invitation to find another job are some of the options that come to mind for me.
bump!
"Work work work work work work work! Hello Boys! Ya miss me!?"
Nonsense. Hogwash. Spanking or other discipline (chores, removal of privileges, etc.) is a consequence they feel. A coerced apology is pro-forma.
A parent may choose to require it anyway, because a parent is responsible for the character formation of the child, and hopes the gesture will eventually also include the appropriate remorse for having offended. I have my sons recite Psalm 133, "Behold, how good and pleasant it is, when brothers dwell in unity ..." when they have been fighting.
However, an employer does not have the responsibility to form character or morality in an employee. If the employee is acting in a way that is harmful to the enterprise, the employer has economically meaningful ways to express his dissatisfaction. Anything unrelated to economics, in this situation, is in my opinion meaningless and fake thought-control enforcement.
Oh, there always are. But in real life, you go out with your baby, you use common sense, and you rarely encounter a situation where extremists take offense. There really aren't that many people who have a cow over a nursing baby - if you're wearing a nursing blouse, use a blanket if necessary, turn your back, whatever - relative to the total population :-).
We went through that also. Everybody is different but it was easier for us to determine what the problem foods were once he was weaned.
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