FINAL CAFTA VOTE ROLL CALL - How did your Congressman Vote?

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[Happy2BMe]

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 443(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)
      H R 3045      RECORDED VOTE      28-Jul-2005      12:03 AM
      QUESTION:  On Passage
      BILL TITLE: Dominican Republic-Central America-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act

	Ayes	Noes	PRES	NV
Republican	202	27		2
Democratic	15	187
Independent		1
TOTALS	217	215		2

---- AYES    217 ---

Aderholt Akin Alexander Bachus Baker Barrett (SC) Bartlett (MD) Barton (TX) Bass Bean Beauprez Biggert Bilirakis Bishop (UT) Blackburn Blunt Boehlert Boehner Bonilla Bonner Bono Boozman Bradley (NH) Brady (TX) Brown (SC) Brown-Waite, Ginny Burgess Burton (IN) Buyer Calvert Camp Cannon Cantor Carter Castle Chabot Chocola Cole (OK) Conaway Cooper Cox Crenshaw Cuellar Culberson Cunningham Davis (KY) Davis, Tom Deal (GA) DeLay Dent Diaz-Balart, L. Diaz-Balart, M. Dicks Doolittle Drake Dreier Duncan Ehlers Emerson English (PA) Everett Feeney Ferguson Fitzpatrick (PA) Flake Foley Forbes Fortenberry Fossella Franks (AZ) Frelinghuysen Gallegly Gerlach

Gibbons Gilchrest Gillmor Gingrey Gohmert Goodlatte Granger Graves Green (WI) Hall Harris Hart Hastert Hastings (WA) Hayes Hayworth Hefley Hensarling Herger Hinojosa Hobson Hoekstra Hulshof Hyde Inglis (SC) Issa Istook Jefferson Jenkins Johnson (CT) Johnson (IL) Johnson, Sam Keller Kelly Kennedy (MN) King (IA) King (NY) Kingston Kirk Kline Knollenberg Kolbe Kuhl (NY) LaHood Latham LaTourette Leach Lewis (CA) Lewis (KY) Linder Lucas Lungren, Daniel E. Manzullo Marchant Matheson McCaul (TX) McCrery McKeon McMorris Meeks (NY) Mica Miller (FL) Miller, Gary Moore (KS) Moran (KS) Moran (VA) Murphy Musgrave Myrick Neugebauer Northup Nunes Nussle

Ortiz Osborne Oxley Pearce Pence Peterson (PA) Petri Pickering Pitts Platts Poe Pombo Porter Price (GA) Pryce (OH) Putnam Radanovich Ramstad Regula Reichert Renzi Reynolds Rogers (AL) Rogers (KY) Rogers (MI) Rohrabacher Ros-Lehtinen Royce Ryan (WI) Ryun (KS) Saxton Schwarz (MI) Sensenbrenner Sessions Shadegg Shaw Shays Sherwood Shimkus Shuster Skelton Smith (TX) Snyder Sodrel Souder Stearns Sullivan Sweeney Tanner Terry Thomas Thornberry Tiahrt Tiberi Towns Turner Upton Walden (OR) Walsh Wamp Weldon (FL) Weldon (PA) Weller Westmoreland Whitfield Wicker Wilson (NM) Wilson (SC) Wolf Young (AK) Young (FL)

---- NOES    215 ---

Abercrombie Ackerman Allen Andrews Baca Baird Baldwin Barrow Becerra Berkley Berman Berry Bishop (GA) Bishop (NY) Blumenauer Boren Boswell Boucher Boustany Boyd Brady (PA) Brown (OH) Brown, Corrine Butterfield Capito Capps Capuano Cardin Cardoza Carnahan Carson Case Chandler Clay Cleaver Clyburn Coble Conyers Costa Costello Cramer Crowley Cubin Cummings Davis (AL) Davis (CA) Davis (FL) Davis (IL) Davis (TN) DeFazio DeGette Delahunt DeLauro Dingell Doggett Doyle Edwards Emanuel Engel Eshoo Etheridge Evans Farr Fattah Filner Ford Foxx Frank (MA) Garrett (NJ) Gonzalez Goode Gordon

Green, Al Green, Gene Grijalva Gutierrez Gutknecht Harman Hastings (FL) Herseth Higgins Hinchey Holden Holt Honda Hooley Hostettler Hoyer Hunter Inslee Israel Jackson (IL) Jackson-Lee (TX) Jindal Johnson, E. B. Jones (NC) Jones (OH) Kanjorski Kaptur Kennedy (RI) Kildee Kilpatrick (MI) Kind Kucinich Langevin Lantos Larsen (WA) Larson (CT) Lee Levin Lewis (GA) Lipinski LoBiondo Lofgren, Zoe Lowey Lynch Mack Maloney Markey Marshall Matsui McCarthy McCollum (MN) McCotter McDermott McGovern McHenry McHugh McIntyre McKinney McNulty Meehan Meek (FL) Melancon Menendez Michaud Millender-McDonald Miller (MI) Miller (NC) Miller, George Mollohan Moore (WI) Murtha Nadler

Napolitano Neal (MA) Ney Norwood Oberstar Obey Olver Otter Owens Pallone Pascrell Pastor Paul Payne Pelosi Peterson (MN) Pomeroy Price (NC) Rahall Rangel Rehberg Reyes Ross Rothman Roybal-Allard Ruppersberger Rush Ryan (OH) Sabo Salazar Sánchez, Linda T. Sanchez, Loretta Sanders Schakowsky Schiff Schwartz (PA) Scott (GA) Scott (VA) Serrano Sherman Simmons Simpson Slaughter Smith (NJ) Smith (WA) Solis Spratt Stark Strickland Stupak Tancredo Tauscher Taylor (MS) Thompson (CA) Thompson (MS) Tierney Udall (CO) Udall (NM) Van Hollen Velázquez Visclosky Wasserman Schultz Waters Watson Watt Waxman Weiner Wexler Woolsey Wu Wynn

---- NOT VOTING    2 ---

Davis, Jo Ann

Taylor (NC)

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[hedgetrimmer]

How about the FTAA's western hemispheric integration? That is on the table next, and if you read the theoretical papers on hemispheric integration produced by American universities and think tanks, you will see that the end result is not a sovereign United States with the protections of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

In fact, the very communist notion of "social justice" instead of equal justice will be what American citizens will be served by the FTAA.

From the CAFTA preamble:
CONTRIBUTE to hemispheric integration and provide an impetus toward establishing the Free Trade Area of the Americas;

[B4Ranch]

The Constitution of the US will be available on a nice plastic wrapped, soft textured, two layered roll shortly for the public to use also.

Look for coupons with the election material.

[hedgetrimmer]

How?

[hedgetrimmer]

CONTRIBUTE to hemispheric integration and provide an impetus toward establishing the Free Trade Area of the Americas;

Oh, and by the way, this is why Mr. Bush worked so hard to get the CAFTA passed. You do know that his brother Jeb has a job after he leaves the Florida governorship, don't you?

He has created a public/private partnership called the Florida FTAA and fully expects that Miami will become the world headquarters for the Free Trade of the Americas zone.

[Alberta's Child]

I don't know why people insist on believing that international bodies that are barely capable of wiping their own @sses would ever be capable of enforcing any kind of international law against the U.S.

[billbears]

Sometimes I will look to Rep Paul to confirm if the bill was right or wrong. Have made up my mind beforehand in most cases, but Paul always falls on the conservative side of the issue.

[jpsb]

You asked for examples of states that were protectionest and doing well, I provided them, I also provided the example of usa from 1776-1966 ish. Now please provide me with an example of a major industrial state that has opened it's markets to any and all that is doing well or did well, do not use the usa, I am looking for a historial example.

[w6ai5q37b]

I think you should read the Constitution.

Which constitution are you referring to, the one that has "there shall be separation of church and state" and "women have the right to abortions" written in it?

[TheSpottedOwl]

Real simple little one, farmers have to sell their crop to pay thier bills, if prices drop to the point where they can not pay thier bills they go broke, there crop goes bad and they lose the ability to survive. Since survival is a strong instinct the men will look for a way to keep their families fed, and head to the usa or Mexico City or just about any place they think will allow them and thier families to survive.

Remember the "Farm Aid" concerts? This is what happened when big conglomerates wiped out American family farms. Some folks have short memories...

[Egon]

What is looks like is that through international trade agreements, that the federal government is providing for the welfare of business that trade internationally (whether they are based in the US or not), and they do not protect the welfare of the individual or the state, because it is the individual and the state being made to pay for federal government policies through job losses, and loss of economic bases state wide.

There are always going to be instances where the "general welfare" contradicts an individual's "welfare". The framers recognized this, which is why they explicitly made it part of the constitution. That said, I think you're right: it is over-stepped on a regular basis.

[hedgetrimmer]

That said, I think you're right: it is over-stepped on a regular basis.

Great, now we have a point we can agree.

Now lets talk about the US taxpayer. He is about to be stepped on by the extraction of money from their paychecks for "trade capacity building" in the CAFTA countries.

Where does the federal government get the authority to give money to an international body, called a "free trade" council to distribute taxpayer withholding money to central America?

Again, we are seeing that the government is not protecting the right of the individual to keep most of his paycheck, but now we are seeing the "right" of the corporation, ceded to them through the CAFTA agreement to distribute money in a foreign country so they can build the infrastructure and do business there.

Where does it say that the federal government must provide for the general welfare of foreign countries, as in providing money so that they can "participate in the global trading system", in the words of the WTO?

[Egon]

What "product" are you talking about?

IT personnel and services.

You're right, dumping implies a loss on the producer's side. In this case, however, all the negatives of dumping are experienced on the receiving side. We may need a new catch-phrase.

It's not a matter of whether this is "right" or "wrong" at all -- because there is a certain inevitability about it, in the same way that rain always falls downward, and the sun always rises in the east.

I disagree. Unregulated, you are correct, the end result is inevitable; just like me playing in traffic will result in my death. Just because something is inevitable doesn't mean that it's desirable. If I have decided that something is not desirable, I take steps to prevent it. In this case, I get up on the sidewalk. If someone else has a conflicting desire, and takes steps to affect the outcome (i.e. they swerve up onto the sidewalk) I can rightfully say that it is wrong.

In the United States today, the two sectors of the economy where costs are rising fastest are those (education and health care) that are almost immune to "outsourcing" just because of their hands-on nature.

Actually, these probably aren't the best example for your premise. Education is state-run, and health care is a self-promoting monopoly. There is competition in neither, which is why prices are so high in both. Has nothing to do with free trade across national borders.

[AppyPappy]

My congressman, a Dem, voted "No"

[jpsb]

"Some folks have short memories..."

So some folks just hate the usa and will do or say anything to advance the destruction of this once great nation. And others are incapable of thinking for themselves.

[Egon]

Now lets talk about the US taxpayer. He is about to be stepped on by the extraction of money from their paychecks for "trade capacity building" in the CAFTA countries.

Agreed. I'm anti-CAFTA.

Where does the federal government get the authority to give money to an international body, called a "free trade" council to distribute taxpayer withholding money to central America?

Nowhere. I'm anti-CAFTA.

Where does it say that the federal government must provide for the general welfare of foreign countries, as in providing money so that they can "participate in the global trading system", in the words of the WTO?

I agree completely. Where did you get the idea that I was pro-CAFTA?

My point is this: pure "free trade" doesn't work. CAFTA is not free trade. CAFTA, in my humble opinion, is an economic affirmative action program. There are situations that call for government tariffs to keep the playing field level, but it has nothing to do with this particular treaty.

I'm finding myself wondering what the heck we're actually disagreeing on. ;-)

[jpsb]

"the word "dumping" implies that the producer is selling at a loss"

Dumping is a tried and true method of making tons of money and a huge profit. It is one of the tools John D. Rockefeller used to made his fortune.

Funny how many people just do not think more then one move ahead.

[B4Ranch]

These international bodies that are barely capable of wiping their own @sses sure have had a detrimental effect on the US.

The UN's Agenda 21 is having quite an effect. Look at what the EPA and ESA have done and that was just another couple of sick ideas from the UN.

Trucking out of Mexico into the US (NAFTA) certainly has cost us a lot of money trying to get the world to understand that we require treads on our highway vehicles, functional brakes and operable lights.

Unfortunately we impose most of these sad @ssed ideas on ourselves because the eventual goal of government is a one world government with total control over the populations.

[TheSpottedOwl]

So some folks just hate the usa and will do or say anything to advance the destruction of this once great nation. And others are incapable of thinking for themselves.

I've seen some unbelievable statements made by members of this site, regarding open borders, and suicidal economic treaties. Sometimes I wonder why they're here, and not on another board.

[RckyRaCoCo]

My congress(women), a Rep. voted NO.

[jpsb]

"Sometimes I wonder why they're here, and not on another board."

A lot of them are GOP operatives, you will never hear a word critical of Bush or the GOP leadership, should Bush hand over the usa to the UN tomorrow, you would heard what a brilliant move it was by W.

I am an old line conservative, I used to be a donor and worker for the GOP, but after 5 years of neocon (new democrat policies, in GOP clothing) I am finished with the GOP. The GOP has been taken over by moderate Democrats and it is no longer a conservative party, unfortunately the Rats are out and out commies/socialists so it is off to a third (fringe) party I go. There are still a few good folks left in the GOP, but they like me are no longer welcome and will soon be purged by the party bosses.

Hopefully enough will leave/booted out to at least make something like the CP a thorn in the side of the anti-American D's and R's.