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Well, that clears that up...
1 posted on 07/27/2005 5:48:39 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

Hey Israel...give me a break.


2 posted on 07/27/2005 5:58:02 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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That was rather dumb of Israel...

Not on par with reselling our tech to the Chinese, but still pretty dumb.


3 posted on 07/27/2005 5:59:32 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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isreal is being really stupid attacking the Pope.


5 posted on 07/27/2005 6:01:39 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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An over-reaction form the Israeli Foreign Minister...I'm glad he took a more 'conciliatory tone' later on. With all the violence in the world today, you can hardly fault the Holy Father for missing a few places...


8 posted on 07/27/2005 6:09:19 PM PDT by JerseyRepub (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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It was merely an oversight on the Pope's part and was never meant to minimize the attacks Israel has faced.

The Israeli foreign ministry over-reacted.


10 posted on 07/27/2005 6:14:12 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Mike DeWine for retirement, John Kasich for Senate)
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Later in the day, the Israeli foreign minister adopted a more conciliatory statement, saying that he thought the Pope's failure to include Israel on his list of recent terror victims was "mistake and not a deliberate omission."

Israel loses my sympathies by carrying on with hypersensitive posturing.

I don't think it was 'mistake' and I think it was a deliberate omission by the pope. He wanted to comment specifically on a rash of terrorism that occurred around the world within the last 3 days, something that gave his statements an immediacy and application to all sorts of people in various countries about the threat of terrorism. Only if there had been a major terrorist attack in Israel during that period would the silly Israeli charge have any merit.

You'd expect a cheap attack like this from the ADL, in one of their little fundraising efforts or their attempts to convince patrons that they can still make a stink about something relevant. I'd normally expect professional diplomats, especially the savvy Israelis, to handle themselves more professionally than they did in this sorry episode.

Ah, well, I'm probably more irritated than Ratzinger was over it. He's a clever and cool-headed fellow. I think the Israelis would be smart not to antagonize him without very good cause.
15 posted on 07/27/2005 7:02:30 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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The Jerusalem Post Internet Edition

A papal omission



Condemning terrorism ought to be a simple matter for the leader of the Catholic church.

Yet on Sunday, when Pope Benedictus XVI condemned recent terrorist atrocities in Britain, Egypt, Iraq and Turkey, conspicuously absent from the papal list was the renewed terrorism in Israel.

Even if near-daily shelling of civilians in southern Israel with rocket and mortar fire doesn't count for him, then surely the suicide bombing which took five lives in Netanya earlier this month was no less reprehensible than what happened in the countries the pope did see fit to mention.

The Vatican's response to Israel's official displeasure – its envoy in Israel, Archbishop Pietro Sambi, was summoned to the Foreign Ministry – only adds insult to injury. The Holy See's explanation was that the pope left out Netanya because he was only referring to the latest incidents.

Of course artificial cut-off points don't make the mass-murder of Israelis less objectionable. But even this excuse holds no water, since the Netanya massacre took place July 11, four days after the initial attacks on London's mass transit system. The attacks in Turkey and Egypt followed. Moreover, the human toll in Netanya was greater than the attack in Turkey.

There was no conceivable, let alone moral, rhyme or reason to omit Netanya.

In its original comments, the Israeli Foreign Ministry declared, unarguably, "We expected the pope would criticize terror against Jews when deploring terror that affected others."

The ministry also asserted, dramatically, that "the Pope's evasion cannot be interpreted as anything but justifying terror against Jews" and that "this can only strengthen the hands of radicals and offer them encouragement."

Whether the Pontiff's exclusion was a function of design or of a subconscious tendency to discount Jewish lives, that exclusion, and the lame attempt to whitewash it, add credence to the potent Foreign Ministry criticism. The inevitable signal being dispatched to terror kingpins is that their assaults on Jews, even if not condoned outright, nevertheless do not arouse the same moral indignation and emotional outrage.

The inclination, subliminally or otherwise, to isolate Jews in a separate category, isn't unique to the Vatican. But we expected better of a just-installed pontiff who has declared his desire to reach out to Jews and announced plans to visit the synagogue in Cologne during his upcoming journey to his native Germany. A pope, what is more, who was reportedly ready to take a tougher approach to the struggle with militant Islam than his predecessor.

Sadly, however, it almost appears that Benedictus XVI is falling short even of Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa who has reportedly and at long last accepted the UN's draft definition of terror, one that brooks no exception making Israel a legitimate target.

The Arab world has been aggressively sabotaging any UN attempt to at all agree on what terror is since 1996. The need to define terror received particular impetus after 9/11.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan was finally forced to take on the Arab block. His terminology had emerged as the principal bone being thrown to Washington in response to its insistent demands for UN reform.

Annan badly needs this draft definition, a fact that forced him to abandon his organization's long-notorious tendency not to quite consider the slaughter of Israelis as terrorism. This was in line with the Arab dictate that Palestinians who indiscriminately kill Israelis be absolved from terrorist classification, thereby in a sense rendering Israelis legal prey.

Pressed by the Americans, Annan suggests a simple commonsense approach, whereby "any action intended to harm civilians or noncombatants with the purpose of intimidating people, or compelling governments or international organizations to act or abstain from action constitutes terrorism." Moreover "the targeting of civilians and noncombatants cannot be justified or legitimized by any cause or grievance."

This of course is merely a blueprint, which still must be approved by world leaders in the upcoming September summit. But it's a step in the right direction, even if hesitant, even if the product of coercion, even if only following 9/11 (as if all which preceded it mattered less) and even that belatedly.

We hope the new pope will find a way to unequivocally correct his mistake, if it is one.

Otherwise, he has placed the Vatican closer to London Mayor Ken Livingstone's implied justifications of terrorism than to the stated positions of the United Nations and even of the Arab League.

17 posted on 07/27/2005 7:13:45 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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Maybe the oversight had something to do with the fact that he's spent at least part of his vacation practicing reciting the Psalms in Hebrew so that when he is in Cologne for World Youth Day, next month, and visits the synagogue there (infuriating a certain wing of Catholicism), he can pray the Psalms with his Jewish hosts in Hebrew.

The first letter of his Pontificate was a birthday greeting to the elderly Chief Rabbi of Rome, together with a personal invitation to the Rabbi to be a guest of honor at the papal installation (which the Rabbi could not do because of the Holy Days).

Oh yes, the Jerusalem Post has every right to say that "so far Benedictus XVI falls short".

Stick a sock in it.


22 posted on 07/28/2005 5:54:05 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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There are two principal points about this.

First, is that the Catholic Church and Pope Pius in particular have been viciously and unfairly maligned as pro-Hitler/Nazi. To the extent Jews have joined in that slander, or passed it by with indifference, it is understandibly resented bitterly. The pope and Catholics assisted Jews at great risk, and from great love. It is perceived that Jews spit in the face of the Church for the cheap thrill of victimhood, regardless of the truth.

Second, the Church has appeared phoney and juvenile in its lack of condemnation of the brutal killing of Jews in Israel. There is zero reason why the Church should not be in the forefront of the defense of Jews in the mid-east. But the Church is not, and gives any rational person the impression that the Church doesnt care if Jews are brutally murdered in Israel.

The two are connected.

Christians and Jews should love one another and cut out the baloney.

26 posted on 07/28/2005 8:13:25 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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The relationship Catholics have with Israel is very strange..


28 posted on 07/28/2005 11:36:15 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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Clemenza to Israel and the Vatican: "Get a room you two!"


29 posted on 07/28/2005 11:37:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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