Posted on 07/27/2005 5:42:46 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
Two hours of debate on CAFTA began a few minutes ago. The vote, if the schedule holds, should be sometime around 10:30 PM EDT.
FReepers have sharp differences here, and the issue doesn't cut cleanly across liberal/conservative lines (however we define those terms). Hopefully, opinions can be set forth in a civil manner.
Walter Jones(NC), the guy who teamed up with kucinnich and abercrombie intorducing a bill saying that the US should immediately withdraw from Iraq, is now talking and saying he votes no.
""All the leftists against it. Makes you wonder what the hell the opponents here at FR are thinking.""
FR is absolutely the last place to go if you want to learn anything about economics.
many here think it is govts job to tell individuals what to buy and to prop up dying industries
Here's quarter, BUY A CLUE!
what does that mean?
Baghdad jim mcdermott now on.
Cuellar from Texas just stood up there with a bunch of lies. NAFTA almost did the south Texas farmers in. In 1993, Mexico started hoarding water. This water right is in a treaty with Mexico since 1944. To my knowledge, they never hoarded it until NAFTA. Their farmers got water while our farmers suffered through years and years of drought. Bush didn't help, Mother Nature did as we have had plenty of rain the past 2 years. Some of the farmers bankrupted. Now the farmers have filed a $500 million suit against Mexico but this will go before a secret "tribunal".
That's a shock.
I love how he can go on and on (McDermott) about how the workers in these countries would be treated poorly and not have health care, long hours...blah, blah, blah...
BUT, he was Saddam's buddy, and is ANGRY that we are trying to give MILLIONS of Iraqis the freedom to HAVE a job!
These guys are so delusional....
yeah right, the semiconductor industry is "dying" - that's why we are sending it to china, and IT is "buggywhip", that's why we are sending it to India.
what's hot? real estate, government, food services, more teachers, lawyers, etc. those better be the "jobs of the future", because that's what we are creating under the free trade model.
I don't really know what CAFTA would do but the way I see is this.
This is a QUID PRO QUO bill.
I just have a feeling we'll do the QUID but the other countries aren't gonna do the QUO, and we're gonna lose out in the end.
Which is the shock, that he teamed up with kucinnich and abercrombie or voting no on CAFTA?
His no vote was expected.
I live at the juncture of suburbia and textile country, in rapidly growing Union County, North Carolina, an exurb (to use the currently popular word) of booming Charlotte. Union County is nowhere close to being big enough to have its own Congressional District, but it falls into two districts, both represented by conservative (by any reasonable definition) Republicans -- who disagree on this issue, a rare event. Sue Myrick represents much of suburban Charlotte, including the western half of Union County (including me), and she is on board with the President in support of CAFTA. Robin Hayes represents a district including textile-heavy (and rapidly suburbanizing) Cabarrus County, several rural counties, and the eastern half of Union County, and strongly opposes CAFTA. I hold both Rep. Myrick and Rep. Hayes in high esteem.
For the record, I'm pro-CAFTA. I suspect that I'm in the minority of FReeperdom, which happens only rarely. My guess is that CAFTA will pass tonight. But whatever the outcome, I hope that we can overcome our differences, and focus on vital conservative issues, such as tax simplification, elimination of the death tax, elimination of racial preferences, an on and on. I hope that any differences conservatives may have on this issue won't take our eye off the ball.
I was j/k
YEP!
you forgot CAT, Boeing, theyre doing quite well but it wouldnt serve yor socialist economic views to mention that
Problem with protectionism is that politically well connected industries get protection, not infant industries. What you advocate is central planning. Socialism
For some reason here on FR the protectionists have been allowed to protray those who believe in free markets as socialists and themselves as defenders of freedom...stright out of 1984
You are not in the minority. The minority is extremely vocal and has been posting every anti-CAFTA thread they could find. But they're talking to themselves and a few of us who are willing to wade into their BS.
How could any American trash the Constitution for cheap labor produced goods?
Don't forget Ron Paul was in on it also.
This is the part that bothers me a lot. Can anyone give me reasons why I shouldn't fret about it? (serious question)
Ron Paul... why does the man have an R by his name?
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