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Larry Johnson's Group (VIPS) Called On CIA Employees To Leak Secrets To Hurt Bush
Associated Press ^ | March 17, 2003 | Unknown

Posted on 07/25/2005 10:03:04 PM PDT by Sam Hill

Ex-CIA Accuse Bush of Manipulating Iraq Evidence

Monday, March 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — Invoking

the name of a Pentagon whistle-blower, a small group of retired, anti-war CIA officers are accusing the Bush administration of manipulating evidence against Iraq in order to push war while burying evidence that could show Iraq's compliance with U.N demands for disarmament.

The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war.

VIPS member Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran who gave intelligence briefings to top Reagan officials before retiring in 1990, said the administration has not made the case that Iraq has ties to Al Qaeda and is providing information that does not meet an intelligence professional's standard of proof.

"It's been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy," McGovern said. "That's why a lot of my former colleagues are holding their noses these days."

But the CIA said McGovern doesn't have any authority to speak of the quality of intelligence policy-makers are reviewing.

"He left the agency over a decade ago," spokesman Mark Mansfield said. "He's hardly in a position to comment knowledgeably on that subject."

VIPS say their appeals to CIA staff are an attempt to evoke another Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret study on U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

Leaking classified national defense information is illegal, and CIA officers, who take a secrecy oath when they join could lose their security clearances or jobs, and may even face prosecution...

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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To: cyncooper

Check this out:

Larry Johnson, Daniel Ellsberg & The Truth Telling Project --Pleading For Intel Leaks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451334/posts


501 posted on 07/26/2005 10:35:02 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: GOPJ
Account banned? Not so interesting after all...

Guess again Sparky. I'm back in business, and ready to rummmmmmmble!!!! :)
502 posted on 07/26/2005 11:07:35 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Welcome back!


503 posted on 07/27/2005 1:49:52 AM PDT by NEPA
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To: Sam Hill

Bump


504 posted on 07/27/2005 9:35:20 AM PDT by jdhljc169
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To: Sam Hill
http://www.tomjoad.org/redowningmemo.htm

Written by Ray McGovern. Connection?
It has been a hard learning - that folks tend to believe what they want to believe. As long as our evidence, however abundant and persuasive, remained circumstantial, it could not compel belief. It simply is much easier on the psyche to assent to the White House spin machine blaming the Iraq fiasco on bad intelligence than to entertain the notion that we were sold a bill of goods.

Well, you can forget circumstantial. Thanks to an unauthorized disclosure by a courageous whistleblower, the evidence now leaps from official documents - this time authentic, not forged. Whether prompted by the open appeal of the international Truth-Telling Coalition or not, some brave soul has made the most explosive "patriotic leak" of the war by giving London's Sunday Times the official minutes of a briefing by Richard Dearlove, then head of Britain's CIA equivalent, MI-6.

505 posted on 07/27/2005 12:08:04 PM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: mosquitobite

" Well, you can forget circumstantial. Thanks to an unauthorized disclosure by a courageous whistleblower, the evidence now leaps from official documents - this time authentic, not forged."

I don't even know what he's talking about.

But yeah, it sure looks like there is a very small cabal who have been pushing this thing since about the time Bush landed on the aircraft carrier--if not before.

The same names keep showing up over and over.


506 posted on 07/27/2005 12:16:52 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: mosquitobite

I did a quick Google, and figured out what McGovern was crowing about. You probably already knew. Anyway, it turns out to be very small (and suspect) potatoes:

CNN.com - Iraq leak puts pressure on Blair - May 1, 2005
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/01/iraq.election/


507 posted on 07/27/2005 12:20:50 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

He's talking about the Downing Street Memo in the above link.


508 posted on 07/27/2005 12:21:06 PM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: Howlin

Bookmark for later....CIA Bush Sabotage


509 posted on 07/27/2005 7:01:35 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Sam Hill
WITH: David Albright, Robert Baer, Milt Bearden, Rand Beers, Bill Christison, David Corn, Philip Coyle, John Dean, Patrick Eddington, Chas Freeman, Graham Fuller, Mel Goodman, Larry C. Johnson, David A. Kay, John Brady Kiesling, Karen Kwiatkowski, Patrick Lang, David C. MacMichael, Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, Clare Short, Stansfield Turner, Henry Waxman, Thomas E. White, Joseph C. Wilson, Col. Mary Ann Wright and Peter Zimmerman.

In case some one already asked and I missed it...How many of those names have given testimony before the grand jury, has Fitzgerald(spel?) subpoenaed any of them?

510 posted on 07/27/2005 7:51:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

That's a very good question. I haven't read that he has, not even Wilson. But I haven't been following who he has called that closely.


511 posted on 07/27/2005 7:57:39 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
Thanks, I'm just curious. Someone, somewhere has to know who has been called to testify.

From all the MSM, you'd think Rove has been the only one.

It would be interesting to know.

I believe that there is a mole in Fitzgerald's GJ, a mole for the other side.

512 posted on 07/27/2005 8:13:09 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Sam Hill; MJY1288; Mad Mammoth; nopardons; cyncooper; Mo1; All
Wayne Madsen Report

July 22-23 -- Reported here first on July 16 in "Rovegate-Boltongate link." From July 22 New York Times: "Democrats who have been eager to focus attention on the case [Plame leak] have urged reporters to look into the role of several other administration officials, including John R. Bolton, who was then under secretary of state for arms control and international security and has since been nominated by Mr. Bush to be ambassador to the United Nations. " NBC News has now reported that Bolton, indeed, testified before the Rovegate Grand Jury about the Top Secret/Noforn memo that contained Valerie [Plame] Wilson's name. Other State Department officials testifying included Colin Powell and other undersecretaries, likely including INR chief Carl W. Ford and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

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The inmates truly are running the asylum.

513 posted on 07/27/2005 8:28:07 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: STARWISE
Democrats who have been eager to focus attention on the case [Plame leak] have urged reporters to look into the role of several other administration officials, including John R. Bolton, who was then under secretary of state for arms control and international security and has since been nominated by Mr. Bush to be ambassador to the United Nations.

Urged???

So the Dems are pushing this story

514 posted on 07/27/2005 8:35:01 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Howlin
This is amazing, A Civil War in the CIA, all about partisan Politics who in the F#$% is protecting this Damn Country ???????
515 posted on 07/27/2005 8:37:05 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: All
Does anyone know where this story comes from, and how old it is? I have googled different portions of it, but I can't find it the way it is laid out here. I've been reading so many links I may missed it. It says it was his statement to congress

CIA LEAK...Was Valerie Plame undercover?
CORRECTING THE RECORD ON VALERIE PLAME
By
Larry C. Johnson
I submit this statement to the Congress in an effort to correct a
malicious and disingenuous smear campaign that has been executed
against a friend and former colleague, Valerie (Plame) Wilson. Neither
Valerie, nor her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson has asked me to
do anything on their behalf. I am speaking up because I was raised to
stop bullies. In the case of Valerie Plame she is facing a gang of
bullies that is being directed by the Republican National Committee.
I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 as a member of the
Career Trainee Program. Senator Orin Hatch had written a letter of
recommendation on my behalf and I believe that helped open the
doors to me at the CIA. From the first day all members of my training
class were undercover. In other words, we had to lie to our family and
friends about where we worked. We could only tell those who had an
absolute need to know where we worked. In my case, I told my wife
. Most of us were given official cover, which means that on paper we
worked for some other U.S. Government Agency. People with official
cover enjoy the benefits of an official passport, usually a blac
k passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas
engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail
free card. It accords the bearer the protections of the Geneva
Convention.
Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with
the CIA. At the time I only knew her as Valerie P. Even though all of
us in the training class held Top Secret Clearances, we were asked to
limit our knowledge of our other classmates to the first initial of their
last name. So, Larry J. knew Val P. rather than Valerie Plame. Her
name did not become a part of my consciousness until her cover was
betrayed by the Government officials who gave columnist Robert
Novak her true name.
Although Val started off with official cover, she later joined a select
group of intelligence officers a few years later when she became a
NOC, i.e. a Non-Official Cover officer. That meant she agreed to
operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. She
was using cover, which we now know because of the leak to Robert
Novak, of the consulting firm Brewster-Jennings. When she traveled
overseas she did not use or have an official passport. If she had been
caught engaged in espionage activities while traveling overseas
without the black passport she could have been executed. We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover. For starters,
if she had not been undercover then the CIA would not have referred
the matter to the Justice Department. Some reports, such as one in
the Washington Times that Valerie Plame’s supervisor at the CIA, Fred
Rustman, said she told friends and family she worked at the CIA and
that her cover was light. These claims are not true. Rustman, who
supervised Val in one of her earliest assignments, left the CIA in 1990
and did not stay in social contact with Valerie. His knowledge of Val’s
cover is dated. He does not know what she has done during the past
15 years.
Val only told those with a need to know about her status in order to
safeguard her cover, not compromise it. Val has never been a flamboyant, insecure person who felt the need to tell people what her
“real” job was. She was content with being known as an energy
consultant married to Joe Wilson and the mother of twins. Despite the
repeated claims of representatives for the Republican National
Committee, the Wilson’s neighbors did not know where Valerie really
worked until Novak’s op-ed appeared.
I would note that not a single member of our training class has come
forward to denounce Valerie or question her bona fides. To the
contrary, those we have talked to have endorsed what those of us who
have left the CIA are doing to defend her reputation and honor.
As noted in the joint letter submitted to Congressional leaders earlier
this week, the RNC is repeating the lie that Valerie was nothing more
than a glorified desk jockey and could not possibly have any cover
worth protecting. To those such as Victoria Toensing, Representative
Peter King, P. J. O'Rourke, and Representative Roy Blunt I can only
say one thing—you are wrong. I am stunned that some political
leaders have such ignorance about a matter so basic to the national
security structure of this nation. Robert Novak’s compromise of Valerie caused even more damage. It
subsequently led to scrutiny of her cover company. This not only
compromised her “cover” company but potentially every individual
overseas who had been in contact with that company or with her.
Another false claim is that Valerie sent her husband on the mission to
Niger. According to the Senate Intelligence Committee Report issued
in July 2004, it is clear that the Vice President himself requested that
the CIA provide its views on a Defense Intelligence Agency report that
Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from Niger. The Vice President’s
request was relayed through the CIA bureaucracy to the Director of
the Counter Proliferation Division at the CIA. Valerie worked for a
branch in that Division.
The Senate Intelligence Report is frequently cited by Republican
partisans as “proof” that Valerie sent her husband to Niger because
she sent a memo describing her husband’s qualifications to the Deputy
Division Chief. Several news personalities, such as Chris Matthews
and Bill O’Reilly continue to repeat this nonsense as proof. What the
Senate Intelligence Committee does not include in the report is the
fact that Valerie’s boss had asked her to write a memo outlining her
husband’s qualifications for the job. She did what any good employee
does; she gave her boss what he asked for. The decision to send Joe Wilson on the mission to Niger was made by
Valerie’s bosses. She did not have the authority to sign travel
vouchers, issue travel orders, or expend one dime of U.S. taxpayer
dollars on her own. Yet, she has been singled out by the Republican
National Committee and its partisans as a legitimate target of attack.
It was Karl Rove who told Chris Matthews, “Wilson’s wife is fair game”.
What makes the unjustified and inappropriate attacks on Valerie Plame
and her reputation so unfair is that there was no Administration policy
position stipulating that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium in February
2002. That issue was still up in the air and, as noted by SSCI, Vice
President Cheney himself asked for more information. At the end of the day we are left with these facts. We went to war in
Iraq on the premise that Saddam was reacquiring weapons of mass
destruction. Joe Wilson was sent on a mission to Niger in response to
a request initiated by the Vice President. Joe Wilson supplied
information to the CIA that supported other reports debunking the
claim that Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger.
When Joe went public with his information, which had been corroborated by the CIA in April 2003, the response from the White
House was to call him a liar and spread the name of his wife around.
We sit here more than two years later and the storm of invective and
smear against Ambassador Wilson and his wife, Valerie, continues. I
voted for George Bush in November of 2000 because I wanted a President who knew what the meaning of “is” was. I was tired of
political operatives who spent endless hours on cable news channels
parsing words. I was promised a President who would bring a new
tone and new ethical standards to Washington. So where are we? The President has flip flopped and backed away
from his promise to fire anyone at the White House implicated in a
leak. We now know from press reports that at least Karl Rove and
Scooter Libby are implicated in these leaks. Instead of a President
concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the
intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a President
who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations
of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson. This is wrong.
Without firm action by President Bush to return to those principles he
promised to follow when he came to Washington, I fear our political
debate in this country will degenerate into an argument about what
the meaning of “leak” is. We deserve people who work in the White
House who are committed to protecting classified information, telling
the truth to the American people, and living by example the idea that
a country at war with Islamic extremists cannot expend its efforts attacking other American citizens who simply tried to tell the truth.

I don't remember it being so detailed.

516 posted on 07/27/2005 8:37:51 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: STARWISE
All of this needs to be sent to every Conservative outlet there is and made public...including wee Larry's threat!
517 posted on 07/27/2005 8:41:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DoughtyOne
If these former agents are at all representative, we've got a serious problem.
LOL. GMTA!
I tell ya, if that guy is a cummulative sum representation of the average CIA agent then we're in BIG trouble in regards to foreign intelligence!
518 posted on 07/27/2005 8:44:47 PM PDT by philman_36 ("It’s a legal document, and legal documents do not change." Scalia)
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To: Mo1
So the Dems are pushing this story

Was there ever any doubt.....

519 posted on 07/27/2005 8:44:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Sam Hill

Interesting that all of the infamous democrats also said Iraq was NOT complying with the UN sanctions. These people need to be tried for treason IMO. Is anybody home in the Dept of Justice, or are they all Clinton left overs?


520 posted on 07/27/2005 8:47:26 PM PDT by ladyinred (Here come the judges!)
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