Posted on 07/25/2005 4:34:39 PM PDT by StoneGiant
Her Improving Standard switch is disabled. She is under the assumption that someone will take the kids if she gets bored with them.
Things needed to change. When my husband left in the 70s, I lost all of my credit even though my husband didn't even have a checking account when we married and the credit we had was originally established by me. I could not even get car insurance before the divorce was final and drove uninsured for almost a year. My husband didn't have that problem.
It was possible for a man to actually sell a home out from under his wife without her knowledge or signature even though her name was also on the loan and she could be held financially responsible.
Though many high paying jobs were not open to me as a woman (remember when the phrase "its good money for a woman" was common) It was expected by the court that I would get a job and bare the responsibility for the bulk of my own and my daughter's support and find child care. What my husband paid in child support didn't even cover child care.
It is true that when women entered the workforce in greater numbers, it depressed wages for men. Before that, the jobs traditionally open to women were low-paying. My father was a carpenter. It made him angry that when women began to enter this traditionally male dominated field, they were paid less than men and because they would work for less, would often be hired over a male applicant. (Don't we see the same thing happening with immigrants now?) Every field that opens to women sees wages depressed, but I would place the blame on employers, not feminists, because it is employers that play one group off another whether it be women against men or immigrant against native.
It was the purpose of the feminist movement to raise the status of women. Remembering back to the good old days, women who stayed home, did housework and cared for children were not given much credit. They didn't work. The jobs they did at home had no monetary value. While a faction of the feminist movement seemed to concentrate on entering male dominated jobs as a means of creating status, there was also another faction that focused on the value of the work women did at home. Remember the articles estimating the cost of hiring people to do the laundry, cooking, childcare, cleaning, etc.? Complaining that women's work was not considered in figuring the GNP?
I have done it all. I've worked and supported myself as a single woman. I've been a stay at home mother, I've been a divorced parent. The most challenging work I've done is being a stay at home mom. The most impossible thing I've done is to be a single working parent (its like having too many packages to carry - one falls and as you bend over to pick it up - the rest tumble. Its feeling that no matter how much you do, someone is being short changed.)
It is too easy to blame the feminist movement as it is too easy to blame welfare for our current problems. Both were responses, if inadequate and flawed, to a need. The need will not go away if we turn back to clock.
Abortion on demand -- changed attitudes towards children, so more married couples decided to postpone children or not have them at all. This created societal pressures on others, since there were now more D.I.N.K's to rub your nose in their opulent lifestyles.
My daughter and her husband are DINKS. They can't afford to buy a home in a market where the tiniest house you can imagine on a postage stamp lot is selling for over $600,000. (Interestingly enough, it is my ex-husband who now wants to be a grandparent that tells my daughter that being a parent is easy. She says "how would he know, he wasn't there".) My daughter loves her husband dearly, and she is well aware that he can't begin to support a family on his income.
My daughter is a Christian and would not consider an abortion, but she doesn't want to have children without the ability to support them.
No fault divorce w/excessive aliimony/child support -- now women could destroy men's lives on a whim, too. Hint: fixing the slimebag man problem would have been a better solution than revenge.
No fault divorce was a boon to my uncle who gave my aunt VD in their 25th year of marriage. My uncle was a multi-millionaire and my aunt ended up living in a one bedroom duplex owned by my grandparents.
Easy credit -- people get in debt above their heads by rampant consumerism or keeping up with the Joneses. Now both members of a household HAVE to work to make ends meet, since easy credit and so many other two-income households have raised prices for so many goods.
Without easy credit, most would not be able to buy homes. And please, let us not forget that after 911, Bush encouraged us to go shopping. Easy credit and ending usury laws, IMHO is a disaster.
Being a little presumptuous, aren't you now??
You make it sound like there is a substantial segment of the public who got behind the killers.
As I recall, there was universal condemnation, and the killers all were sentenced to death by execution.
And another thing about your confusing post. What is your rational in claiming that this "new religion" that blacks were given, (Christianity, I presume), taught them to be good slaves.
As I recall, it was the devout Christian abolotionists who brought about an end to slavery.
Christianity does not teach people to be "good slaves."
EXACTLY! Also moral relativism... who are we to conclude that there is anything "good" or "better" tied to the middle class values and "Protestant work ethic"? The thing I find amazing is that black families were amazingly intact and stable through the 1940's, despite the real discrimination of those post-Civil War years. It took the Black leaders who followed Martin Luther King to turn blacks into victims and to adopt the victim-mentality and culture that has afflicted so many over the past 60 years. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams speak to this pathology all the time, but finally in the mainstream, Bill Cosby has spoken out -- and those black leaders just won't stand for it. It's all Bush's fault.
Very thoughtful post, drawing extensively on your own history.
And, even though you disagreed with many of my points, more respectful than many I have seen on FR.
It is too easy to blame the feminist movement as it is too easy to blame welfare for our current problems. Both were responses, if inadequate and flawed, to a need. The need will not go away if we turn back to clock.
The need will not go away, but both feminism and welfare have not solved the problems they were intended to solve; and as currently implemented, have opened Pandora's boxes of OTHER problems. The proposed solutions to which reek even worse of liberalism, government control, and immorality.
I'm beginning to think that many of the welfare, feminism, gay rights, etc. have been engineered for the express purpose of the destruction of our society. Have you ever read Gramsci?
In other words, maybe we should turn back the clock on the societal mores which have begun rotting since the 1950's and 1960's. My parents used to let me walk 1 mile to school when I was 6. Now, I would not let a 12-year old, never mind a 6-year-old, walk four blocks without an adult riding shotgun.
My daughter and her husband are DINKS. They can't afford to buy a home in a market where the tiniest house you can imagine on a postage stamp lot is selling for over $600,000.
Pardon my pointing this out, but there are cheaper areas of the country to live in.
Without easy credit, most would not be able to buy homes.
Yes, that's right. But it didn't used to be the case: it was not an inevitable force of nature that drove up home prices and depressed incomes: and out-of-control bureaucracy and liberalism have been the primary causes. . .
Cheers!
When a ship has become so full of water that it is 70% sunk, what are the chances of righting it again?
Things in the black inner cities aren't going to be changing any time soon. What can the white folks on the outside offer? Yet _another_ social program? Another social agency?
There really isn't much that can be done for the "black family/illegitimacy problem", other than ensure that its plague be kept isolated to specific areas. In that sense, the inner city ghettos serve a de-facto purpose, by keeping the black underclass concentrated, confined, and separated from the rest of society (including blacks who try to live in the "normal" culture of marriage, work, and family). Those blacks who have sense enough to escape or resist the pervasive underculture that surrounds them will succeed in doing so regardless of "outside attempts" to help them. The rest will sink into the ghetto life no matter what efforts we propose to save them, all the while drowned in the brutish noise of rap (one could never call it "music").
The article concludes:
All told, the nation is at a cultural inflection point that portends change
Wishful thinking. With illegitimacy rates at 70-80%, the vast majority of children being born in these places will likely never know a "real family". Nor will the politically-correct schools attempt to educate them as to what a "traditional family" _is_.
Society can't hope for good lumber from bad timber. So long as 70% of the seed is bad from the start, the timber will remain tainted. A difficult truth - but a truth nonetheless.
- John
The Bible does not forbid or condemn slavery. It was the practice for religious slaveholders to teach passages like the one below while omitting passages urging fair treatment of slaves by owners.
1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a man bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
Jefferson Davis clearly believed the Bible supported slavery
"Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis
Fredrick Douglas recalls his experience with his religious master
"For all the slaveholders I have ever met, religious slaveholders are the worst. I have ever found them the meanest and basest, the most cruel and cowardly, of all others. It was my unhappy lot...to belong to a religious slave owner.. He always managed to have one or more of his slaves to whip every Monday morning." Frederick Douglas
It is also true that other Christians read the Bible differently and led the abolitionists movement. Prominent among these were the Quakers and Charles G. Finney.
Liberal welfare policies caused the single parent problem. From 1890 up until the '60's, black marriage rates were about the same as whites.
When liberals substituted a welfare check for a father, the problems started. And yes, it affected poor whites too, but not in the same devastation percentages.
The problems of the black community can be laid at the feet of modern liberals.
But the liberals all told me that "The Bell Curve" has been discredited. I never here why, just that it has.
The age of consent for girls in most American states was 10 (7 in Delaware) until activists women campaigned to change it in the late 1800s. Certainly their activism created more pedophiles.
I'm sure Southern slaveholders must have had much the same thoughts. They fought a war, after all, to preserve what they considered to be the natural and right order of things.
No, I've never read Gramsci.
In other words, maybe we should turn back the clock on the societal mores which have begun rotting since the 1950's and 1960's. My parents used to let me walk 1 mile to school when I was 6. Now, I would not let a 12-year old, never mind a 6-year-old, walk four blocks without an adult riding shotgun.
My mother was sexually assaulted in the 30s by the church organist though she never told anyone. According to her story, she fought her way free before he was able to rape her.
Back in the good old days, women were blamed for rape, "they must have done something to bring it on". Rape had such serious social consequences for women, that it was seldom reported, unless the alleged rapist was black, then he could be hanged without trial.
When I grew up in the 50s, we had a great deal of freedom, but we were also warned about kidnappers who would lure children with promises of candy, and rapists.
Pardon my pointing this out, but there are cheaper areas of the country to live in.
Yes there are, any they are thinking about moving. We are a small family and my parents are in their late 80s and need help to stay in their own home. They are too old to think about moving, and I don't think any of us would feel right about leaving the area when they need us.
I appreciate your reasoned reply.
Bookmarked. Thanks...
bump.
Sorry to bother you again, but I brought up Gramsci in our last discussion, and you said you hadn't read him.
Here is some information on him, from the home page of another Freeper, hombre_sincero...
Enjoy!
In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L'Ordine Nuovo, or "The New Order." Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs.
Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937
...A. The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)
......1. Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
......2. Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
......3. Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
......4. Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)
...B. Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
......1. The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
......2. When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism
...C. Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
......1. Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
......2. Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
......3. Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
......4. Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
......5. Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
......6. Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons
...D. Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as "global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"
...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church
...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action
...G. Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."
Note: While reading this, think back over what the left has done to this country.
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