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Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat
"The bloody mattress was linked to them? What was the explanation about that? Anyone?"
No, Rip....this guy mentions it, and obviously he doesn't know, but I doubt if they ever linked the mattress to the guards.
Ok, thanks. I hadn't heard who that mattress belonged.
Um, Gary...I think it's gingersnaps who is sympathetic to Joran because of her son, not rippersnapper.
I don't know if they're "evil" but I do think they are typical protected and coddled young men that feel entitled to anything and everything....
It seems like Nat was a good kid.......
so I can't speak against her.....
I do think that the reason nobody stayed with Nat or grabbed hold of Nat's arm before she went off with the Arubans is that most of the kids there were probably pretty snockered themselves....
Accepted.
Yes, I do remember that. And there were tongue sisters for those who were too squeamish about blood. It was 100% nonsexual and the child had to touch the tip of your tongue to the other one. Wow, it sounds so bad these days, doesn't it?
I thought this one was interesting....aruba.com
Author: debbie (---.mc.at.cox.net)
Date: 07-22-05 18:06
My fiancee is a Delta Pilot, and former F-15 Air Force Pilot. He is also a diver. He gave up his vacation to go to Aruba to help search for Natalee. He was there 9 days, and he lost 17 pounds, barely sleeping, and not being able to eat. He fell in love with the Aruban people. I decided not to take my vacation, and donated the money I had sat aside to the Equa Search Team. I am only telling you this because I have had a lot to say here, but I also tried to help in a very small way.
We all know when we travel in a foreign country we are subject to its laws. I don't have a right to have a problem with the Aruban System.
I have a problem with people within that system who blew it. Before anyone jumps in here to say that 11 days didn't matter, I am telling you that it did. Those 11 days cost Beth Twitty the small comfort of taking her precious daughter home, and had America not been watching, I hate to think what would have happened to the security guards.
I'm not convinced that the Kalpoes have been living protected lives. I do think there is a type of caste or class system in Aruba. I think Joran uses people and the Kalpoes because of THE car.
I'm just kind of waiting for more facts to come out.
There wasn't that much time that elapsed between the guys shielding Natalee and their all leaving. I'm still not buying that she was afraid to go to the restroom alone, yet left the group once they got outside so she could catch up with another group. Even if ONE GUY had escourted her, just ONE, she may still be alive. (I hope she is, anyway)
She went with a group and left with a group. She was grabbed in between groups.
Incidentally, the two guys that had incidents with Joran, one was a Twitty and the other a Holloway. What are their relations to Natalee? I thought I'd heard that one was a cousin. What is the other?
ewwwwwww.....coyotes! I detest those critters! When we lived in Nevada, we lost two cats to the vermin. Here in Texas, I sometimes hear them late at night. Gross!
Where do you live?
Yep, those 11 days were crucial.
That was me. I wasn't being devious. I was hoping that Natalee purchased it at home in the states, so that no one could say, Yes, we sell these scarf halters by the truckload on Aruba... To me it looked like an unusual top, but another poster said that she could well have purchased it on the island.
If you fear what could have happened to the security guards if the US wasn't watching, sounds like you DO have a problem with the Aruban system, at least their police department and justice system. To imagine them being railroaded to pay for this crime gives me chills. I never thought of it. You and your fiance have my praise for the help you gave the Twitty/Holloway families. That was super!
Jug wants to know if the cops even wrote reports and if that information is in evidence..also if he could read their reports, he could see if they reported exactly what he knew happened or if something was left our accidentally or intentionally..its like double checking...Apparently he feels what transpired that night was evidence and he is worried it was not reported or not reported correctly...rs
Natalee Holloway: Was She Raped And Murdered By Deepak Kalpoe?
http://www.riehlworldview.com/
As first mentioned in How Did Natalee Holloway Leave Carlos and Charlies, RWV has obtained exclusive, credible information as regards events surrounding the Mountain Brook Aruba trip in general, as well as specific events at Carlos and Charlies the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.
Diario Editor, Jossy Mansur, tonight on Fox News stated that in earlier testimony suspect Joran Van der Sloot claimed that Deepak Kalpoe raped and murdered Natalee Holloway and buried her body near a fisherman's hut on the beach. Van der Sloot is said to have claimed he had fallen asleep with Natalee on the beach, woke up and then left. He also is reported to have alleged that Deepak Kalpoe then went back, raped and murdered the young girl.
In a report from a student in attendance on the trip, this does match with certain information gathered during my reporting. It was stated to me that Joran, far from being an antagonist, was much more laid back in his interactions with the young Americans on the trip - and it was actually Deepak Kalpoe who was much more "in your face."
As already reported, at least one confrontation on the trip the night before the group's last evening in Aruba did not involve Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student; instead, the confrontation was between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from the Alabama high school.
In addition to that, I have been told that, as reported elsewhere, the notion that Joran Van der Sloot "hit on" Natalee twice and was rebuffed was "ridiculous." Natalee, along with some other Mountain Brook girls was rather taken with the young Dutch boy and it should have come as no surprise to anyone that they might have wound up together in some fashion at the end of the evening.
The same cannot be said for Deepak Kalpoe - in fact, just the opposite. According to a student on the trip, Deepak Kalpoe appeared to be quite attracted to the young blond girl from Alabama, who did not return the attraction and was far more interested in Joran.
Also as previously reported in story above, I've been informed that Natalee Holloway did not leave the front of Carlos and Charlies with Joran Van der Sloot, she was seen leaving with Deepak Kalpoe by, perhaps, the last known Mountain Brook student to see her alive. The report comes from one of the students inside of one of the now infamous taxi cabs into which other friends of Natalee thought she would enter to return to her hotel and safety.
While this last piece is speculative at best, based upon what I have learned, it is entirely possible that Deepak Kalpoe used Joran Van der Sloot as bait to get Natalee away from her friends. If Van der Sloot, the Kalpoes and Natalee all met up either around the corner, or on the beach, it would jibe with the information I have obtained.
Based upon gathered information speaking directly to the then existing dynamics between the young men and Natalee Holloway, I found the version of events attributed to Joran Van der Sloot and related by Jossy Mansur on Fox News tonight to be possibly the most credible version of events that night I've heard to date.
Update: Another point, as I reported here weeks ago, additional information from Aruba pointed to an eyewitness who saw both Kalpoe brothers thoroughly washing out their vehicle at a location beside their home which was termed "unusual." It was suggested the location was not the normal one they used and would help to obscure any view of their efforts from the street. This took place after their initial release from questioning and prior to their arrest.
When, based upon discussions I had with individuals close to the search party, EquuSearch sought to check the area with dogs, they were turned away by the Mother of Deepak Kalpoe.
Earlier reports said that, if a body were thrown in the water on the West side of the island, the tides would take it out to sea. Which is it?
Croes was talking about the north side of the island.
He also suggested that if a body had been thrown into the waters of Boca Tortuga, the body would come straight back to the shore. “We don’t have shark infested waters around Aruba, but if there was a shark attack, again evidence would be noticeable along the shoreline, everything comes back to the shore on the North Coast,” stated Croes.
We saw this coming ...
Did Dan jump the shark?
So PvdS risks his rear and ca-reer to cover for DK? :-/
Interesting,,an "evil ecstasy",,I never heard that. I wanta know more about that.
Jossie's business is to sell newspapers, and he should be looked at in that context, imho.
And to nudge up the cost of advertising in his newspaper.
I just read in the last two weeks the Alexander book on the Truth about Mutiny on the Bounty and got interested in Pitcairn. Odd you should mention it! It is fascinating. Sort of a perversion of Polynesian mores by Brits. It is an interesting sociological story and hard to get info. I read all the news articles on the sex abuse stories but there is nothing in great depth written, yet.
There is a story on Aruba that is the context for all of this case and I have said this from thread one. I wish someone would get interested after this is over and write it. It is way more interesting and gripping than the Nat case, as gripping as that is. We are seeing the tip of the iceberg here.
Deepak,,,he is obsessive about his prize car, washes it, won't take it to work, doesn't want people kissing in the back seat. His car is gone.
Deepak is compulsive and is feeling the heat. He is brittle, enraged and scared.
Deepak will implode soon. People who are that controlling about a car break easily in my experience.
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