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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9
Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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To: Palladin

hair in a can


521 posted on 07/25/2005 7:46:29 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Rippersnapper

You're right that is how is was stated on the show tonight. I just got in too big of a hurry to post it because I was so surprised to hear. Sorry.


522 posted on 07/25/2005 7:46:33 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Dark Skies; Rippersnapper
It's very interesting that Jossy would take Joran's testimony that he thought Deepak went back to the beach and raped and killed Natalee as the gospel truth.

Either Joran is telling the truth, OR..he's trying to pin it on Deepak.

Now, who are we to believe?????

If only the Investigators could have pinned down these boys and asked just WHO it was who so desperately wanted the first version of Natalee being dropped off at the Holiday Inn to be told. Which boy cooked it up?

523 posted on 07/25/2005 7:46:59 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Dark Skies

"what is the likelihood that this many fiends can coexist at one time and one place. Rape of a dying person or an indisposed person, or a drugged person...WTF does that say about these guys."

The words to describe this would not be allowed on this forum. The best I can get away with saying is "They obviously can't get a real date".


524 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:23 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: spectre
It's very interesting that Jossy would take Joran's testimony that he thought Deepak went back to the beach and raped and killed Natalee as the gospel truth.

Its interesting that Jossy has all this info down to the T if you ask me.

525 posted on 07/25/2005 7:49:45 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
TK, I read these threads pretty carefully but don't remember much being posted about T.J.Ward, the new investigator. Do you recall anything? I posted some information (#475) and from that link add this regarding the voice analysis resource:

The RA5 is utilized primarily by the insurance industry or other businesses for which the ability to determine fraudulent statements over the telephone is important. It provides its users with the ability to determine the veracity of an incoming claim call, as is the case during an intake interview.

I wonder if he became involved because of the phone call.

526 posted on 07/25/2005 7:50:03 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: spectre
It's very interesting that Jossy would take Joran's testimony that he thought Deepak went back to the beach and raped and killed Natalee as the gospel truth.

Either Joran is telling the truth, OR..he's trying to pin it on Deepak.


Or maybe Jossy is trying to bring Deepak out of his silence, piss him off... let him hear things that Joran has been saying about Deepak. Remember The Kalpoe brother story has not change some 15 times, but only twice.
527 posted on 07/25/2005 7:51:46 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Dark Skies
If this is true, the Aruba disorder (of seeking pleasure at the expense of disabled female toursists) is sociopathic of the first order. Understandable, but heinous nonetheless.

This sort of crap goes on all the time, all over the world. It isn't just Aruba. It isn't always strangers seeking out touriss either. A lot of rapes end in murder. A lot of women are raped when they are incapacitated either through drugs or booze. If the alleged reports from the PI are true and Natalee was drinking shots of 151, no drugs would have been needed.

If Joran supposedly hit Natalee while everyone was still in CnC's and the MB guys shielded Natalee, the WHERE IN THE HELL WERE THEY WHEN THEY WERE LEAVING CNC's?

Why didn't they shield her as she tried to catch up with the other group? Why didn't they stop her? She supposedly would not go to the restroom alone, so why did she leave her group?

Why didn't her roommates report her missing? The crap about her sleeping in different rooms each night was blasted with the she changed rooms ONCE and was now with three FRIENDS. Where were those girls that put on the silver necklaces with her earlier and why weren't they worried a lot sooner?

528 posted on 07/25/2005 7:52:23 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: truthluva
Sweetie Pie...they don't want a real date. Rape is about power and anger...not about sex and certainly not about social acceptance or love...

I hear that rape results in a different kind of sexual high. Orgasm of love is sublime...rape produces a hellish, controlling and evil ecstasy.

Rape fits the profile of this island.

529 posted on 07/25/2005 7:54:27 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
a mother doesn't put a reward out there that might result in the saving of her daughter if the only evidence is an IOU.

Huh? Evidence?

530 posted on 07/25/2005 7:55:18 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: countryconservative
Actually, I can't recall hearing about a kidnapping charge that could automatically be filed against Joran. They speak of "evidence" to hold Joran, but have never elaborated. Natalee missing must be the cause and effect for that.

Things are still conflicted. It was reported just today, that the DNA was negative, but now...not so fast. Confusion reigns..then it settles down again.

sw

531 posted on 07/25/2005 7:55:37 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Dark Skies
"Beth just responded to a caller who asked what happens to the money if Natalee is not found. Beth stated that the money would come forth when Natalee is returned safely in their arms.

"466 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:18 PM PDT by TexKat"

Nonsense...a mother doesn't put a reward out there that might result in the saving of her daughter if the only evidence is an IOU.

But she did according to the post above and you do not know what you're talking about. There is a legal obligation by the donor to pay the amount he promised if Natalee is found alive. The fund has already been credited with an asset by the same amount as the promise made by the donor. The promise to pay (IOU, or Liability or whatever you want to call it) is as good as cash. In fact such a promise has a 100% probability of collection unlike, say, a receivable.

532 posted on 07/25/2005 7:56:18 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: TexKat

Obviously, Jossy has an insider at the police station.

So, this was the statement of Joran on June 13...that Deepak raped and killed Natalee.

And why should we believe this particular version, out of the fourteen Joran has told?

The Equusearch is planning to go back to Aruba and do some new searches...one at the Tennis Club. I heard this on Scarborough. Joe said there are THREE new witnesses. Dave and Robin looked and sounded more hopeful tonight on Scarborough, as did Jug and Beth on Greta. Jug says something big is going to happen this week.


Arlene says the new prosecutor, the one who went to Quantico, is excellent. She seems to like her a lot better than she does Karin.

Jossy is the Truman Capote of Aruba. He is so excitable and so gossipy.


533 posted on 07/25/2005 7:57:30 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: TexKat
Its interesting that Jossy has all this info down to the T if you ask me.

Uh huh. It is going to come down to a battle between the lawyers.

534 posted on 07/25/2005 7:58:22 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Dolphy
TK, I read these threads pretty carefully but don't remember much being posted about T.J.Ward, the new investigator. Do you recall anything? I posted some information (#475) and from that link add this regarding the voice analysis resource:

Yes, I do Dolphy. Matter of fact another Freeper posted the same link and article on one of the earlier threads that you did in your post #475. But it is good to have it on this thread as well. The first link is probably on thread #8. I say that because it has only been resently that the Twitty's hired Mr. Ward although Jug had mentioned a friend of his knew about a guy with this voice analysis equipment much earlier.

535 posted on 07/25/2005 7:59:16 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Rippersnapper
RS...excellent points. I was young once. And though it was a more innocent time, there were guys around then that would have used roofies if they had only known. Humanity is vile...you are correct. I am a repentant Christian. I have made mistakes and hesitate to accuse others.

But you are right and it is a profound point. Life is dangerous...not just Aruba.

536 posted on 07/25/2005 7:59:30 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: TAquinas

An IOU of course is only as good as the financial condition of the person who presents it. That's why I think they know who the person or company is that has offered that money.


537 posted on 07/25/2005 8:01:06 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: TAquinas

Could Jossy be the donator? Wonder why its anonymous.


538 posted on 07/25/2005 8:03:45 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TAquinas
The promise to pay (IOU, or Liability or whatever you want to call it) is as good as cash. In fact such a promise has a 100% probability of collection unlike, say, a receivable.

Bugger off...I am not taken in by your naivete as are some here. They have not seen your ugly side...I have.

Go away and leave me alone

539 posted on 07/25/2005 8:04:11 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dolphy
That's why I think they know who the person or company is that has offered that money.

This question was posed to the Twitty's tonight. Beth's response was some of their friends.

540 posted on 07/25/2005 8:06:59 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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