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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9
Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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To: Jrabbit
I agree; the case is hosed. No one will be going down for this. I'b betting they're hoping that the world will lose interest, it will go away, and Aruba can go back to 'business as usual' within six months.

Aruba's Law Enforcement dropped the ball -- in my opinion, dropped it deliberately.

Every morning I wake up and hope that they'll find her -- one way or another. My heart aches for Beth -- I want her to be able to bring her little girl home.

1,321 posted on 07/27/2005 9:03:32 AM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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To: monkeywrench

I agree...

Jossy's family and Jossy himself may have a shady past - but I don't see Jossy trying to get someone convicted that is not guilty of something in this case. I don't see him trying to get Joran out of jail and I don't see Jossy trying to pin this on Deepak. I see him repeating what Joran said on June 13th (which is probably one more lie from Joran) and that Jossy's intent is to get under Deepak's skin by saying it over and over on public television. Either Deepak is just as guiltly as Joran (was with Joran the whole time that night) or Deepak knows something that could rap up this case quickly. (Joran told Deepak what he did).

Things have change greatly since Straaten (Joran's God-Father and best friend to PVDS) has retired or left the island. - This is the key to why things are moving along now.


1,322 posted on 07/27/2005 9:09:52 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Jrabbit

I believe it came from a partial confession that Joran made.

Something bad happened, I buried her in the sand and I will take you to where I buried her - statement on June 11th.

Then later he changed it to Deepak raped and killed her, then buried her - statement on the 13th of June.


1,323 posted on 07/27/2005 9:13:34 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Jrabbit

"I will take you to where I buried her" or it was "I will take you to where she is buried."


1,324 posted on 07/27/2005 9:15:14 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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SM:

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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: van der sloot appointment

according to his statement to dutch tv, van der sloot took leave when it was apparent his boy was in deep trouble. he wanted to avoid appearance of conflict since he is an officer of justice. he may have a leave balance or may be entitled under his contract to receive pay until his appointment expires see appointment in early January 2006.


1,325 posted on 07/27/2005 9:15:24 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

See this conflicts with what Rudy Croes has said.
PVDS failed as a judge in training and this was about a week or less before Natalee came up missing.


1,326 posted on 07/27/2005 9:19:08 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: theophilusscribe; All
I am so confused... So PVDS was under a contract while he was judge in training? - Then why did he go to Rudy Croes looking for more work within the Aruban Government?
1,327 posted on 07/27/2005 9:23:31 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: countryconservative; All

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/some-startling-revelations.html

I found this over at websleuths.....


1,328 posted on 07/27/2005 9:24:37 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: countryconservative
PVDS failed as a judge in training and this was about a week or less before Natalee came up missing.

Yes, but I am not sure that meant the end of his career in Aruba? It looks like now they will not renew his appointment. I am not sure that was the case before?

Seems like Aruba opperates on the Peter Principle—he has been promoted to a level beyond his competence, and had an assured position there before this happened. But maybe not. All conjecture on my part. :o)

1,329 posted on 07/27/2005 9:25:37 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

Did I read somewhere that he is no longer with the justice department?

Ping to save my place...


1,330 posted on 07/27/2005 9:26:04 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: MAWG
Mark Fuhrman found an empty Swiss Army Knife box in O.J.s' bathroom. It was apparently new. They never found the knife and O.J. wasn't talking.

It was probably in that infamous sealed envelope brought into court--that never did get opened...(or something like that).

1,331 posted on 07/27/2005 9:28:49 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: countryconservative
I am so confused... So PVDS was under a contract while he was judge in training? - Then why did he go to Rudy Croes looking for more work within the Aruban Government?

Well, it was perhaps a "pre-judge" position? Paralegal? Associate? Perhaps the move for government work was because his appointment would have to have periodic reassessment or renewal? Perhaps as a "judge in training" he was only elligible for the appointment for a certain amount of time? And he wanted something more permanent? More money? His career as a judge was going nowhere?

As I said before, I can only offer conjecture. Sorry!

1,332 posted on 07/27/2005 9:29:40 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Froufrou
no longer with the justice department

Yes. He was at the court yesterday cleaning out his desk. However, though he no longer works there, he may be (this is speculation from Jossy Mansur) receiving income from the justice department until the end of his appointment.

1,333 posted on 07/27/2005 9:32:03 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: Froufrou; theophilusscribe
Did I read somewhere that he is no longer with the justice department?

PVDS's assignment is up January 1, 2006 according to Jossy Mansur. PVDS is still on the government payroll until then. He went yesterday and picked up and cleared everything out of his office.

1,334 posted on 07/27/2005 9:32:08 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Jrabbit; maggief

This looks HOT!!!! - It sure looks VDS home is a rental

repeat of Jrabbits post...
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/some-startling-revelations.html


1,335 posted on 07/27/2005 9:32:55 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: countryconservative

I think the map is interesting, but the rental property stuff has me confused....


1,336 posted on 07/27/2005 9:39:45 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: All

This sure looks the VDS home - do they own it or do they rent it? - http://www.greatrentals.com/aruba/4979.html
Does VDS own this rental right next to the Racquet Club?
http://www.greatrentals.com/aruba/4675.html

Take a look at this map...
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2213/1338/400/curmap1.jpg


1,337 posted on 07/27/2005 9:40:53 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: Jrabbit

Here is all the homes this one person owns and has up for rent...
http://www.greatrentals.com/adminpublic/exb/multiple_prop_list.cfm?CST_ID=3083&SIT_ID=4675

One looks to be the VDS home and another is right next to the racquet club. Does VDS own these rentals? or does someone else? - If PVS owns all of them then did Joran have access to the home near the racquet club? - was it rented out when Natalee came up missing? or was it empty?

All these rentals may explain PVDS income if he owns them or is invested in them.


1,338 posted on 07/27/2005 9:45:14 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: countryconservative

Nancy Grace reported last night that Joran has 22 versions of what happened.


1,339 posted on 07/27/2005 9:45:52 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Someone last night on SM joked that he has made up so many lies that he could teach at the Columbia School of Journalism, or work for CBS. :o)


1,340 posted on 07/27/2005 9:47:22 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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