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Dean: 'We need to welcome pro-life Democrats'
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 24, 2005 | Devlin Barrett

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:42:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Graybeard58
With pro life votes the Democrats regain the presidency and the senate and appoint Pro abortion judges.
121 posted on 07/24/2005 1:32:27 PM PDT by Dave Burns
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To: pa mom
"Good point. I guess they know they don't have the votes? Or is it something else? Not really committed? But if it would get them votes don't you think they'd introduce legislation to do just about anything? "

I think it is as you say, something else.  I think it is a strategy for keeping power.  I don't mind upsetting Republicans every bit as much as Democrats on this issue.  I believe the Republican Party sees this gapping wound like a gold mine they can plunder for a long, long time.  I believe they know that introducing an amendment that would prohibit court intervention would close the gold mine (abortion issue).

The Republican Party has control of Congress and yet they do not introduce a Constitutional Amendment on abortion.  Pro-lifers that have been voting Republican based on this issue alone are among the most manipulated voters in this country.  They've been hoodwinked time and time again.  It makes no difference to them that lesser legislation is introduced in Congress, and often passed while the amendment process is kept in the closet.  The lesser legislative acts are like crumbs from the cake, but don't expect to have the cake served.

I find it interesting so many pro-life people are excited with the nomination of Judge John Roberts to the Supreme Court thinking he will have favorable rulings limiting abortion, yet fail to see the Congress by way of the amendment process could take this issue away from the courts completely.  The pro-lifers are willing to accept a "maybe pro-lifer" when a constitutional amendment would make this a non issue completely.  Just more cake crumbs being fed the pro-lifers.

Here's some interesting numbers.  Last week CBS conducted a poll of voters regarding abortion.  Twenty-five percent of respondents favored abortion under any circumstance.  Seventy percent favored greater restriction.  Five percent were unsure.  Now, compare that to the numbers supporting a flag protection amendment where fifty-five percent favor such an amendment and 42 percent oppose the amendment, and three percent are unsure.  That's awfully close to a clear split among voters, yet that didn't stop the amendment process for flag protection in Congress.  Abortion is a much clearer issue among voters, yet the amendment process isn't being raised in Congress at all.  Something isn't right here.

If I am correct in my assertion the Republican Party recognizes the abortion issue as a means to retain power on government, then I can take it a step further and say they don't mind trading the lives of unborn children to retain that grip on power. If I am wrong, let the Republicans in Congress introduce an amendment restricting abortion. It's time for Republicans to put up, or shut up.

If I have offended FReepers with my views of the Republican Party on the issue of abortion, Free Republic is a conservative forum, not a Republican Party forum.

122 posted on 07/24/2005 1:34:05 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: BipolarBob
"I suspect burzum is a troll"

I disagree.  I think burzum is well intentioned, but simply misinformed.

123 posted on 07/24/2005 1:37:43 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Graybeard58

pro-life and democrats in the same sentence?

Oxymoron time!


124 posted on 07/24/2005 1:38:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: backtothestreets

Mayhaps I was hasty in that judgment. It appears burzum truly believes his/her viewpoint. Point well taken.


125 posted on 07/24/2005 1:43:03 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Loud Mime

I used to wonder why liberals are so fixated on abortion. Rush hit the nail on the head when he said that abortion is the "holy sacrament" of the false religion of liberalism. Look at it from this standpoint and you can undertand why it is the most important thing on liberals minds. It represents a rite of passage for these people; they view it as a requirement for initiation.

This act has many benefits for liberals:

1. They view humans as no better than animals, so getting rid of one is no big deal. In fact, elimination of "excess" population ties environmental kooks to the liberal cause.

2. The woman who submits to this ritual crosses a line that should not be crossed - if she violates this most basic bond - that of mother and child - she will grapple with guilt, which can be manipulated by liberals. Once the abortion has occurred, it cannot be undone.

3. The ritual destroys families and sets men and women ( and parents and children ) at odds with each other in a fundamental way. Women who have been brainwashed into believing that men have somehow screwed them over down through the centuries will fight for this "right" to their dying breath because in this way they think that they can deny men power over them.

4. Abortion reinforces the idea that things are more important than people.

In ancient times, people sacrificed their children in order to placate gods so that the harvest could be plentiful. They acted from ignorance. Modern people sacrifice their children because of avarice.

The Bible says that God is not mocked. One day the bill will come due, and it ain't gonna be pretty.


126 posted on 07/24/2005 2:15:52 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Snake65

Not quite. What Dean is really saying is "We want pro-lifers to vote for our candidates, as long as they don't expect anything to change on the issue of abortion."


127 posted on 07/24/2005 2:52:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Mike DeWine for retirement, John Kasich for Senate)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

I cite abortion as sacrifices of the innocent virgins to the gods of liberalism. One of these days I'll see that elsewhere.


128 posted on 07/24/2005 3:21:51 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: buffyt

---I can't understand WHY they WANT to kill so many innocent children.... but they are so against the death penalty for serial rapists/killers----

don't forget how they support the terrorist prisoners and chastise our own troops!


129 posted on 07/24/2005 3:23:04 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: Farmer Dean

Maybe they have, b ut one thing is for sure, they don't really mean what screamin' Dean is saying right now. Their goal is pure politics. If they could kill a million babies right now they would.


130 posted on 07/24/2005 4:18:52 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: burzum
Sorry but you are wrong. He did not call it hateful nor was it a warning only but a commandment of what should be done if that warning was not heeded.

You may try to wiggle around it because it is an unpleasant thing but it is still the way He commanded. Let us look at Romans 13:3-5

For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.

For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

You are of course entitled to your opinion but Scripture does not support it. In fact it could even be argued that you are sinning by trying to evade your duty to revere human life by holding it valueless.

By abjuring the death penalty you are saying in effect that human life has no meaning and that murder should not be punished anymore harshly then theft or other lesser crimes. And yet Scripture says just the opposite.

131 posted on 07/24/2005 4:49:43 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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