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Phoenix Bishop says "No Sunday Shopping" - A Wedge Issue in the Culture Wars
LifeSiteNews.com,, Arizona Republic ^ | 07/18/05

Posted on 07/18/2005 2:55:09 PM PDT by Heartofsong83

Phoenix Bishop says "No Sunday Shopping" - A Wedge Issue in the Culture Wars

PHOENIX, July 18, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Catholic bishop of Phoenix, Arizona, quoted in the Arizona Republic, told a congregation attending the most recent priestly ordinations that the world has suffered with the loss of the religious observance of Sunday as a day of rest. The article, which appeared in the July 17th Sunday edition, posed the question, "Whatever happened to Sunday?" It reflects the observation of many Christians that the day which used to be reserved to religious and family togetherness, has turned into "an extension of Saturday," filled with errands invariably including shopping.

Bishop Olmsted of Phoenix said, "Keep the Lord's day holy. . . refrain from all shopping and enjoy Sunday as a day of rest, a day of leisure, a day for family, a day for celebrating the Eucharist."

The trend to the loss of the observance of Sunday is another feature of the general de-Christianizing of western culture since the end of the second world war. Some say it is one small symptom among others, but others see it as the thin edge of the wedge and one which may easily be reversed. According to a 2003 survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as many as 33% of workers are at work on Sundays and holidays.

Steve Skojec, a married Catholic layman involved in the burgeoning Latin Mass community in Phoenix, says that his family as well as the other families involved in the traditional Catholic community take the Sunday religious and family observance as a serious part of their faith. Skojec, a realtor and father of two, told LifeSiteNews.com, that the observance of Sunday is worthwhile for its spiritual benefits. "For my wife and I, being in real estate, Sunday is a big money making day. But we feel, if we forego the ability to make money on Sunday, God will bless us."

The work of restoring Christian culture is one that interests many young Catholic and other Christian lay people. The leadership of Christian communities can help by encouraging the growth of genuine Christian social and political movements such as pro-life activity, a project at which the new bishop of Phoenix has excelled.

The diocese, which has recently made the Latin Mass much more available, has also encouraged other traditional Catholic measures to counter the secularizing trend. Bishop Olmstead recently welcomed five sisters from the same cloistered order of nuns as Mother Angelica of EWTN fame to his diocese. Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests For Life was also recently featured giving talks on the right to life in a Phoenix parish. Bishop Olmsted is also often seen protesting outside area abortion mills.

Skojec, 27, implied that the observance of Sunday, what Catholics refer to as the 'Sunday obligation' extends further than merely attending Church services. He said, "To us, if we forego the ability to make money on Sunday, God will bless us. In our minds, the avoidance of temporal gain on Sunday is rewarded with spiritual blessings."

Read Arizona Republic coverage: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0717sundays.html

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 4thcommandment; bluelaws; catholic; christianity; dayofrest; phoenix; religion; sabbath; shopping; sunday
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To: Heartofsong83

agreed


61 posted on 07/18/2005 4:35:56 PM PDT by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: Judge Roy

I note that you refer to the Apostles and the other early Christians who celebrated the Eucharist on "the Lord's Day"--i.e., Sunday, the day the Lord rose from the tomb, as "the Catholic Church."


62 posted on 07/18/2005 4:50:11 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Many of the converts of the early church were Pagans, the pagans wished to seperate themselves from the heritage of christ and the discipiles and did not practice his teachings by word or action lest they be idenified as a J-- so they never were christians then or now.


63 posted on 07/18/2005 5:14:43 PM PDT by Judge Roy
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To: BlackElk
No one has probably thought of denying the Holy Eucharist to those who "support shopping on Sunday," but it is a very good idea in the event that Catholic or other Christian employees must work on Sunday as a condition of employment.

It is in the nature of some jobs that work on Sundays can be an occasional necessity. Mine falls into that category. I try to minimise it, and never let it interfere with assisting at Mass, but stuff happens.

64 posted on 07/18/2005 5:37:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
The dictionary doesn't define when the Sabbath is, the Holy Scriptures do, and it is clear in the Scriptures that the Sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

The Sabbath was to serve as a reminder that God had brought the Israelites out of Egypt:

Deuteronomy 5:15 - "15 And you must remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and Jehovah your God proceeded to bring you out from there with a strong hand and an outstretched arm. That is why Jehovah your God commanded you to carry on the sabbath day. (italics mine)

God did not bring the Christians out of Egypt. The Law served as a tutor, but we don't need a tutor anymore, because we have the faith:

Galatians 3:23-25: "23 However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24 Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor."

It's true that at Acts 20:7 Paul delivered a discourse to some disciples "the first day of the week", but that's because they were already having a meal (no indication that it was a "mass"), and Paul was leaving the next day. There is no evidence from scripture that Christians are obligated to observe Sunday as a "sabbath". If we're going to be under any part of the Law, then we have to accept the entire Law.

Colossians 3:16, 17 - "16 Therefore let no man judge YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ."

65 posted on 07/18/2005 5:41:00 PM PDT by DameAutour ("If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

What kind of job?


66 posted on 07/18/2005 5:44:33 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: livius
The Orthodox frequently eat together after their liturgies, although it's easier for them because their churches are generally a lot smaller.

I fixed dinner for my small group of 80 for quite some time. It was hardly a "day of rest" for me.

Was I violating the Sabbath so that others could observe it?

67 posted on 07/18/2005 5:50:35 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: Heartofsong83

In my case it's an engineering job that requires some field testing of equipment ... that can get hairy. Consider also military, ER personnel, police, fire, etc.


68 posted on 07/18/2005 5:50:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: rockabyebaby
I wholeheartedly agree, families have been torn apart since the Blue Laws were disbanded

Nonsense.

Why do you feel the need to try and structure others lives. (Blue Laws) Many work shiftwork or some form of 24 hour Operations. Their needs should be secondary to your religous beliefs, why?

69 posted on 07/18/2005 8:30:16 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: BlackElk
Some individuals will decide NOT to patronize stores that insist on forcing employees to work on Holy Days and Sundays. Those individuals are also making THEIR OWN decisions.

Absolutely, and I encourage you to act as you wish. Why stop there though?

Unplug all electrical appliances, turn the water off, start a fire in the fireplace for heat, and forget calling 911.

Then take the time to stand back appreciatively at what others do for you the rest of the week. Maybe you won't want to try and structure their lives by supporting "Blue Law" legislation.

70 posted on 07/18/2005 8:40:35 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: vikzilla; ninenot; sittnick
I think you misconstrue my message. I specifically oppose blue law legislation. With the specific exception of matters like abortion (a particularly offensive form of homicide in which the victim is utterly helpless), I will do without the state deciding what constitutes morally preferable behavior. The libertarian (I do not claim to be one) alternative to government action is shunning or ostracism. In blue law matters, it is a perfectly available to Cathlics (such as me) and to others who believe in observance of the Sabbath as a moral matter.

As to protection of workers from discrimination based upon their practice of their respective religions, employers who want to be open every day should make a point of hiring enough heathens to keep their businesses open on Holy Days.

You seem to have a bit of an attitude about religion practiced as though practitioners actually believe. Did Mom get terrified by a priest, minister or rabbi when she was carrying you?

BTW, just how many seculars do you imagine I am depending upon in my daily life? I will wager that if there are any, they constitute a very tiny minority and can be replaced, if necessary.

71 posted on 07/19/2005 7:41:31 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: mombonn

No and a priest does not violate the Sabbath by saying Mass (as spiritually necessary for his flock as dinner was materially necessary for your guests and probably even more so). Or the surgeon performing necessary surgery or many other necessary occupations. Cosmetology or hairdressing or auto detailing or lumberjacking seem to be among the non-emergency occupations which need not be performed on the Sabbath. We do not need laws to back up the distinctions, however. God gave you free will. Use it.


72 posted on 07/19/2005 7:46:19 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ArrogantBustard; ninenot; sittnick
But the requirement of your engineering profession that you occasionally must act of necessity on the Sabbath would not be reason to deny the Eucharist to you as Christ made clear in saying that getting your ox out of a ditch (something of an engineering problem actually) on the Sabbath did not violate the Sabbath. Surgeons and nursing home or hospital health care workers likewise. Priests and ecclesiastical music directors likewise.

If a "Catholic" employer says: "I don't care what their religion is, my employees will be banging those cash registers on Sunday like any other day," then denial of the Eucharist would be in order for such an employer. If the Church would make a point of confronting the world rather than knuckling under to its worldly enemies, then the state of belief and practice would certainly improve.

73 posted on 07/19/2005 7:57:51 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Heartofsong83

It would be wonderful if this would be implemented nation-wide!


74 posted on 07/19/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Heartofsong83; saradippity; Jeff Chandler

**Bishop Olmsted of Phoenix said, "Keep the Lord's day holy. . . refrain from all shopping and enjoy Sunday as a day of rest, a day of leisure, a day for family, a day for celebrating the Eucharist."**

Bishop Olmstead bump!


75 posted on 07/19/2005 8:04:12 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Phoenix Bishop says "No Sunday Shopping"

Let's see - as a Catholic Bishop this guys got no working wife, no kids, has many basic needs supplied to him by the Church, and has at least some free time during daylight hours on weekdays to do what ever he wants. He really has no clue what life is like for the rest of us.

76 posted on 07/19/2005 8:04:39 AM PDT by vollmond (Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.)
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To: Salvation

Nationwide and beyond! We need to make it so that it cannot be allowed across national borders either...to close off complaints from those on the northern and southern borders.


77 posted on 07/19/2005 8:46:23 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Actually, the law uses the term "reasonable accomodation" to enforce the rights of believers.

You may choose otherwise, but unless you have a REALLY good excuse, expect EEOC at your door.


78 posted on 07/19/2005 8:56:39 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: vollmond

And were you in the military?

If not, please don't discuss Iraq.

Are you male? If not, don't discuss childbearing.

Are you female? If not, don't discuss masculinity.

I hope that a few examples of stupid remarks modeled precisely on your screed help you understand the inanity of your post.


79 posted on 07/19/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: vollmond

And he is asking you to realign those priorities, not give excuses.


80 posted on 07/19/2005 9:37:06 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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