Posted on 07/15/2005 10:29:12 AM PDT by joanie-f
Bill CLinton = The Manchurian Candidate
The biggest exposure is not the platforms themselves. It is the C4I systems and the many, many non MIL-STD systems used to "manage the business" of the military.
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I agree. I have read through the entire congressional commission report that I linked here, and the information contained in that report alone is terrifying.
Like you, I would imagine that, if this report is public information, classified information has got to be much more powerful and ominous.
So, we have the Chinese with the capability to launch one missile that produces a large enough EMP to allow them to lob the other 19 or so missile at us with impunity. We can certainly match them 10 times over for sheer destructiveness, but that won't make the craters on US soil any smaller.
Exactly! And as I said in an earlier post, China is not nearly as concerned about its own civilian casualties as we are, and, without blinking an eye, would sacrifice millions.
~ joanie
Worth repeating -- except that the Manchurian Candidate didn't comprehend what he was doing, until the end.
BTTT
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BTTT!
Joanie, this is one of your best---and that's saying alot.
This is not at all far fetched. Since the early 1990s, Yossef Bodansky and others have catalogued the use of terrorist orgs as both direct and false flag proxies by the PRC and her "immediate" Axis partner Pakistan. In addition, the PRC supplied direct aid for years to Syria, Iran, Myanmar, Laos, the DPRK, Sudan, Somalian Islamist factions, Taliban Afghanistan, Ba'athist Iraq, and others who hate the West. More recently, with the rise of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, states of which themselves supplied aid and comfort to terrorist harboring states and terrorist orgs, de facto, a configuration similar in areal extent to the Communist Bloc circa 1950, with the addition of states of the former Northern Tier (who turned to the Dark Side since the late 1960s) now faces the West. And even though individual states within this config have issues with radical Islamic separatists within their borders, nonetheless, at the global level, they support any and all anti Western forces and elements. Personally, I think what I am describing is the Fourth Reich.
First of all, it's not a vanity post. This was a compilation of independent sources -- which you have obviously chosen to arbitrarily discredit without so much as one supporting source of your own -- on the potential dangers of EMP damage to the domestic infrastructure.
BTW, your facts about EMP are not true. If they were, our space bursts in the 50's and 60's would have wiped out Hawaii, and instead they just screwed up AM radio for a few minutes.
So, all the sources cited in the compilation are wrong, while you are right? Have I got it? Guess you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Thanks. :)
The average faraday cage will not stop an EMP pulse. Just too many leaks.
We tend to overestimate the number of US consumers Vs the world population. The EU alone has more consumers. And the EU plus the wealthy people in other parts of Eurasia make a very large ecnomomic pie. The Chi Coms are currently draining the US. At some point, they'll no longer really need us economically. And all of this of course assumes that Deng Xiao Ping Thought (the basis for the current tolerance by the CCP of controlled introduction of market capitalism) is somehow a permanent change in China. What if it's not? What if Deng Xiao Ping Thought turns out to be a Chinese version of Lenin's NEP? Did it make sense (from an Anglo-Saxon, market capitalist perspective) when Stalin did a 180? Would it "make sense" (from that same perspective) if China did a 180? No. It would not. But that does not mean it cannot happen.
I doubt they would use satellites. It would be quicker and dirtier to use plain old ICBMs and SLIRBMs (e.g. launched from locations at the appropriate distance from CONUS). The warheads would be detonated using GPS coordinates (of note, GPS actually works in three dimensions, something easy for forget when we use it for land, sea and lower atmosphere navigation).
Thank you, Bill Clinton. Another piece of your legacy!
Assuming no sabotage of our satellite downlink stations, yes, NORAD would notice the launches. Reaction times for ICBMs launched from China and subs near it would be on the order of 15 - 20 minutes. For IRBMs (especially low trajectory ones) from nearer subs, it might be as little as 5 minutes. Imagine the scenario! Would we really launch on warning? Or would we follow the PDD-60 approach - "just to be sure?" That is the question of our time!
I'd hang my hat on:
* Gas tubes
* Transorbs
* Extremely High Power Zeners
* Massive High Voltage High Current Caps
All in parallel. That's the only way to have any hope of capturing the wide spectrum of an EMP. And even then, if a few components fail, you're hosed.
But here is the thing. Outside of certain MIL-STD and NEBS systems, very few electronic systems have anything more than low power zeners and standard off-the-shelf (easily cracking, easily broken down) ceramic caps. OOOOOOoooops!
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