20 Nuclear Suitcase Bombs inside the USA

Michael Savage July 13th Radio Program ^ | July 14, 2005 | Sweetjustusnow

[Sweetjustusnow]

Paul M. Williams author of The Al-Queda Connection which is due to be released soon, provides a compilation of data based on; FBI, CIA, Vice President Cheney, Homeland Security, Attorney General Ashcroft and news sources. Makes a strong case that there are 20 suitcase nukes in the USA which have been smuggled in through the border with Mexico.

[TBall]

"Isn't that stuff 'flown in' these days anyway?" With the money those guys have they probably have been able to develop a telportation machine to smuggle.

[Southack]

"If they are/were so hard to maintain how did the Commies keep them usable? Did they collect them regularly and ship them back to Moscow or did they have an on-site traveling crew? As I said in an earlier post most of our engineering schools are full of Pakistani and Irani students, a few of which I am sure are true believers and would have the skills and training to take care of these things."

Talent isn't the only hurdle. Nazi Germany had talent and money; it couldn't build a working atomic bomb, though.

The larger CCCP warheads were on a 7 year maintenance cycle for their pits and cores. Their explosives were changed out more often than that, as were their wiring and electronics. Triggers require even more frequent replacement than any of that; Be7 has a 53 day half-life and Po-210 has a 140 day half-life.

Po-210 is entirely Manmade. It isn't found anywhere naturally. You need a working nuclear reactor to produce useable amounts of Po-210. A cyclotron can also produce small amounts of it, of course.

But in 140 days, Po-210 is worthless to a bomb.

[Nowhere Man]

The full weight of a 767 doesn't even come close to 500,000 tons, let alone the fuel load. In fact, the maximum takeoff weight of a 767 is 450,000 POUNDS, with the fuel capacity of 23,980 gallons. (.5Kt is 1 mega pounds) JP4 is pretty wimpy compared to TNT. That report was super duper wrong.

I don't know, when you have a large quantity of jet fuel being spread out as the result of the impact, you have something like a fuel/air bomb and I think they could be taking that into account. I know there are some fuel/air bombs that can rival a small nuke. I know a couple of months ago, a house about a mile from me exploded due to natural gas and I felt the shockwave hit my house, I remember my mother wasking what is was and I had no idea until I heard it over the news and on my police scanner. I guess maybe half a kiloton might be a little much, maybe not.

[antidisestablishment]

Try this for a more realistic analysis:

Conclusion

... Without additional data, it is impossible to say with an acceptable level of certainty whether any number of these weapons was stolen during and following the breakup of the Soviet Union, as Alexander Lebed and a few other Russians claimed.

Available evidence suggests that these stories were most probably not true, and that they were generated by incomplete information or ulterior motives. The probability that such weapons could be used by terrorists (assuming some were stolen) appears even lower.

[Southack]

"JP4 is pretty wimpy compared to TNT"

http://www.shell.ca/code/motoring/safety/facts.html

One cup of gasoline (a somewhat similar fuel to JP4) has the explosive power of 5 sticks of dynamite (1 inch diameter, 8 inches long).

[D Rider]

The suitcase nukes are NOT H-bombs. They are 2kt "plain vanilla" A-bombs. The 8-inch howetzer can lob tactical nukes.

I know that, but you said the maintenance and reprocessing cycle was different than H-bombs, So what is it? What is the reprocessing cycle?

[FBD]

Hey Southack,

I want to thank you for repeatedly injecting common sense, and facts into this hysterical story. (which has been circulating since 9/11)
Too many people are willing buy this BS story, without checking the facts.

Thanks for providing them, again and again, each time this story surfaces.

[FBD]

Hey Happy,

You know how I stand on protecting our southern border...but I'm calling B.S. on this hysterical story, which has been circulating since 2001.

Read #42 by Southack. Unlike this story, his info is accurate and factual.

Regards

[Happy2BMe]

Like you, I do want to believe this story is a pile of dung.

But unlike you, I believe the probability of it being real are better than 50%.

[Southack]

"I believe the probability of it being real are better than 50%."

Po-210 has a half-life of 140 days. That's not an opinion, that's science.

If a suitcase nuke goes 140 days without any maintenance, then there will be no atomic "boom."

A dirty bomb, yes. An atomic bomb, no.

By the way, to create useable amounts of Po-210 (an element not present in Nature), you need a working nuclear reactor (not exactly something that you can hide).

[Happy2BMe]

Thank you sir. Science is a good thing in the right hands.

[Wonder Warthog]

"That's incorrect. Electron radiation is comparably tame (though it could do the deed if a particular electron caused a spontaneous neutron emission such as what we see when Be is mixed with Po-210). Neutrons are also being radiated, and they have to go *somewhere*. The heavier your shielding, the fewer such neutrons go somewhere that interrupts your design...but no matter how thick your shielding, not all neutrons are ever fully shielded."

I'm well aware of the effect of neutrons. I also know that there simply aren't enough neutrons around to transmute a significant number of copper atoms to other atoms/isotopes. If there were, no human would be able to get near an atomic weapon to maintain it.

The effect certainly exists, but it is simply not significant. There are other things that will cause "wiring problems" far more quickly than neutron irradiation.

The most likely one is simply radiation damage to the insulation of the wires. I'm sure that each wire from the trigger is a "shielded wire" (can't have cross-talk among the cables from inductance as your triggering pulse is making its way to the detonators). As radiation damage accumulates in the insulation, the CAPACITANCE of that wire will change, which WILL have a major affect on the timing of your triggering pulses.

[Little Ray]

Wrong. In a small A-bomb Tritium, IIRC, is used a neutron source to speed up the reaction and get a proper "earth-shattering kaboom." Without it (or with helium) it fizzles - messy, dirty, but not "kaboom."

[BJungNan]

Um right. If Al Qaeda had even one suitcase nuke, they'd have used it long ago. And the notion of 5000 sleeper cells is ridiculous.

I'm not with you in that opinion. If they act on the U.S., my guess is that it will be on multiple cities at once. That coordination takes time to set up. And these terrorist are known to pick dates that have significance.

They may have been ready long ago but the date has not arrived.

On the 5,000 sleepers, that may be a bit high. Seems an awfully big network to support and keep secret. But, consider what just 100 people could do.

Not that it has not been said before, but seeing the warning on FR "Loose lips sink ships" I will not go into all that these 100 people could do. The point is, even if it is not 5,000, one hundred would be bad.

[GingisK]

How often do you suppose that certain areas are 'scanned' from street level

Seldom, if ever. This is a very large country. Naturally, a terrorist would avoid those "certain areas", in the unlikely event they exist at all.

Are the border crossings into Mexico equipped with the appropriate sensors

They don't even watch for people, let alone their packages.

[GingisK]

This means staff, materials, machines and payroll; ALL traceable on some level ...

So, Russia is now one of our staunchest allies? China, why they wouldn't supply our enemies either.

[Wonder Warthog]

"In a small A-bomb Tritium, IIRC, is used a neutron source to speed up the reaction and get a proper "earth-shattering kaboom." Without it (or with helium) it fizzles - messy, dirty, but not "kaboom.""

Tritium is not a neutron source. The only possible use for tritium is as a "fusion booster" to get a "bigger bang".

[TSchmereL]

You are in denial, dude!

When a group as dedicated as Al Queda has a will to do something, and it is possible to do it, it is only a matter of time until the group succeeds.

Your whole premise seems to be "Don't worry, they can't, because they haven't yet." Then you make the case for how difficult it is.

So what if (which may or may not be true) Al Qaeda only has one source, Pakistan? A. Q. Kahn's network is a pretty good source according to what I have read.

Although I like the idea of TSchmereL Center for Intelligence, there is not one. I am basing my argument on common sense.

I stand by my opinion that anyone who takes comfort in the thought that "Al Qaeda does not have a nuke because they have not nuked us yet" is a bigger fool than you.

Whether or not Al Qaeda has a nuke, this is the kind of wishful thinking that gives your enemies confidence.

[TSchmereL]

"such dubious claims as Wilson makes"

What are you talking about?

What claims have I made that are even similar to claims made by Wilson? Which contradictory claims by Wilson are you talking about?

[Insert bunny with pancake on head here]

The "holes" in my argument to which you point are that it is very difficult to make a nuclear bomb.

Duh! I know it is hard. I can't do it. I don't even know how to start.

But Pakistan did it. Iran is about to. Both have either supported terrorist in the past or still support them.

You disagree with my premise that "it can be done?"

You think it can't be done? You are in denial.

It certainly can be done. Do you want to be that Al Qaeda is not trying as hard as they can? The only question is how far along they are. I am willing to be they are further along than anyone but Al Qaeda knows.

I am not going to search the Internet for nuclear plans. But I am not trying to nuke you. Al Qaeda is trying and I bet they have Internet access. What do you think.

[evets]