Posted on 07/10/2005 9:19:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE
The slaughter in London is another grisly wake-up call that likely will go as unheeded as earlier ones. Already the standard narrative is being trotted out: evildoers created by what the New York Times predictably called the “root causes of terrorism”: autocracy, or economic stagnation, or Palestinian suffering, or globalization's dislocations, or Western historical sins, or the war in Iraq (the cause will depend on the political prejudices of the pundit) have “hijacked” Islam and distorted its peaceful message.
And now they are using Islam to justify murder in order to further their own ambitions or dysfunctional psychic needs. Given this explanation, so the story goes, we must be careful not to demonize all Muslims and assure them that we respect their religion and culture. The tale is then wrapped up with fierce threats against the terrorists and protestations of admiration for Islam.
Believing this delusion requires that one ignores fourteen centuries of Islamic jihad against the West, a war of conquest and colonization ratified by centuries of Islamic theology and jurisprudence. Indeed, what we call Islamic radicals are in fact Islamic traditionalists; it is the so-called “moderates” — those wanting to compromise Islam so it can coexist with Western ideas such as secular government, separation of church and state, and human rights — who are the radicals and innovators.
The terrorists are simply fulfilling the traditional and orthodox command of their religion to battle the infidels who resist the revelation of Mohammed and the global socio-political order mandated by Islam.
Listen to one of the most respected and influential of Muslim clerics, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, on the legitimacy of jihad:
(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...
I am all for watching the Muslim community and monitoring mosques. I am for repeated exposure and arrest of Muslim clerics who incite violence. I am for intelligent discussion of the Muslim religion, and contrasts with the Jewish and Christian faiths.
I am not for violating American citizens' civil rights, even if I am mistrustful of some members of their group. There are ways to defuse the danger without persecuting innocent people.
Is your real name Phil Johnson? ;^)
Right you are. Some here believe that if it's a Republican President then he should be worshiped like an infallible Sun God.
If Clinton was doing half the stuff Bush is doing, the vitriol against him would drown this site.
That's part of it 8-) The democratization campaign may be the best strategery for undermining Mohammedanism. Democratic government is antithetical to Mohammedanism, yet Mohammedans will enjoy better lives under representative government. This will establish the precedent of Mohammedans ignoring the tenets of their religion, encouraging them to ignore other tenets of their faith that contradict the natural law and common sense.
Great analogy. You nailed it.
Miss Marple, I honestly believe you to be a nice, sincere lady who wishes to cause no harm mentally or physically to anyone, yet you simply can't be nice to everyone and you sound more and more like Chamberlain in Munich in 1938. Don't make the same mistake he did and misread the Islamist's intentions.
They intend to either dominate you or kill you, PERIOD!
If you can show me otherwise then, please, do so and I'll gladly get on board your "let's be nice to everybody" train.
You'd think the head of CAIR would know that lying for the cause is permitted in Mohammedanism. He could have avoided all that spinning.
HEAR! HEAR! Brits and Americans are going to take it into their own hands eventually if we don't solve the death and harassing by the Islamists. We will start a Baptist terror group like they have not seen before. Hey, we have some West Virginia boys that will make them want to "Come to Jesus"! Here, in the US, we are not allowed to form hate groups such as the KKK, and if Islam is not a hate group, I don't know what else it could be. To kill a bunch of commuters, come now.
If you think my position is that we should "just be nice to everybody" you obviously don't know me very well. As I said above, there are ways to prosecute this war without violating the First Amendment. I have no trouble with monitoring mosques, profiling people getting on planes, or waging a huge religious propaganda war.
I do object to deportation based on religion, and I would be loathe to support internment unless there were no other alternative. I do not wish my government to violate the Constitution, and practically, such behavior would be detrimental to our ultimate goal of victory in this war.
Thx Freddie...excellent article.
Are you including the hundreds of Muslim troops serving honorably in our Armed Forces, the thousands of Muslim professionals working here, including many who help design our high tech weapons, and others who provide medical and dental care in underserved places you wouldn't want to live..?
Heh, heh...you forgot the /sarc tag.
Or else you left your brain in the cave you just crawled out of.
BTTT
Nice in theory but it is completely lacking in proof. But there is plenty of proof that Islam can kill democracies. Look at England and the Islamization of Europe. Any democracy there is being choked to death by the creep of Islam.
This is a war between the believing Christians and Jews on one side and the believing Muslims and atheists and secular humanists on the other. Non-believing Muslims either don't have a dog in this fight, or they are secretly pulling for Islam.
You have not presented a single factual argument on this thread thus far. Therefore, when you tell someone they are wrong, you are merely stating your opinion, which is only as valid as everyone else's. To pretend otherwise is horribly arrogant.
If you would like to present your argument factually, or at least logically, then I'm certain you would be offered a lively debate. As it is, there's not much use - because you have offered nothing more than an opinion.
It's true that Islamic populations are not monolithic, and that many (probably most) Muslims are peaceful people, people who want to work their jobs, raise their children, and sleep content at night.
However, it's disingenuous to say that Islamic ideology is not driving the current round of terror attacks we've been hearing of around the world for the last two decades. And one can't pass off those who espouse such ideology as fringe groups driven by a distorted reading of the Koran; from where I sit it appears clear that the motiviation of the terrorists springs from a clear understanding of that book, an understanding shared by such historical figures as Kara Mustafa and Saladin.
BTTT
Nice try. If the leadership of the brown-eyed people league were known to incite terror, and the membership of this fictional league were known to practice or tolerate those who do, then perhaps brown-eyed people would see the shoreline.
However, the ideology espoused by portions of the Koran and the violence called for by this book (and it's adherent leadership in many places) is altogether too real. Not all Muslims are terrorists, nor are all terrorists muslim. BUT, at the current moment in history, nearly every international terrorist action in the world is being carried out by muslim terrorists. The "backlash" against this violence from within the Isalmic community is tepid, at best. Too many Islamic clerics espouse the violence as valid, or at least justified for one reason or another.
Your leap of logic ignores the reality on this Earth. Heck, the Egyptians just proved the point themselves - because they didn't complain about Zarqawi killing non-combatants in Iraq, but only killing the Egyptian Ambassador... In other words, Zarqawi killed the WRONG innocent bystander.
"The IRA read the Koran?"
Are we gonna fight the method or the root cause?
Arabs are bombing innocent civilians (terrorism) because they want to enforce their strict ideology (Islam).
There are 2 ways to win the War on Terror as it relates to Islam:
1. Kill all the islamic terrorists.
2. Try to figure out how to make the Islamic ideologues give up terrorism as a useful tool.
We don't have the national will, right now, to accomplish number 1.
We don't have the patience to accomplish number 2, EVEN IF WE HAD A WAY TO MAKE #2WORK, WHICH WE DON'T.
The root cause of terrorism is the Koran.
Part of the root cause goes back to Abraham. When God asked him to sacrifice his son, he agreed. And the father's willingness to kill his son on the alter encouraged irrational authority being acceptable. Each Imam isn't a God, but they have authority beyond anything a westerner can imagine. In our cafeteria way of dealing with religion (where everyone picks and chooses the parts of the Bible (or any other religious book) that they want to stress - Muslims chose this part. The part the reinforces blind authority.
By tradition that authority has been transferred to every two bit Mosque idiot. That power has a choke hold on Muslim cultures. It's also the reason they have suicide bombers and we don't. It's culturally supported. (Did you know the place in Mecca where all Muslims must go is the place where Abraham was asked to kill his son?)
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