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To: philman_36
I find it insulting that you think that I was "called in as a reinforcement." I happened to be reading this thread and thought to express my own opinion. I do no one's bidding on this forum.

If you think my position is that we should "just be nice to everybody" you obviously don't know me very well. As I said above, there are ways to prosecute this war without violating the First Amendment. I have no trouble with monitoring mosques, profiling people getting on planes, or waging a huge religious propaganda war.

I do object to deportation based on religion, and I would be loathe to support internment unless there were no other alternative. I do not wish my government to violate the Constitution, and practically, such behavior would be detrimental to our ultimate goal of victory in this war.

109 posted on 07/11/2005 6:04:33 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I find it insulting that you think that I was "called in as a reinforcement." I happened to be reading this thread and thought to express my own opinion. I do no one's bidding on this forum.
Did I mention you in particular? NO. I mentioned it as a generic opinion. If I wanted to say that I thought you were called in, in particular, you know me well enough to know that I would. I expect the other poster to go back and read the thread and come to his own conclusions. I merely included you in on the post to keep from making more than one post as I've often done in the past. Chill out!

If you think my position is that we should "just be nice to everybody" you obviously don't know me very well.
I know you as well as anyone can from your replies and in those replies you go to great efforts to call for appeasement in many things. If I can't judge you by your responses then it isn't the real you who is posting.
As I said above, there are ways to prosecute this war without violating the First Amendment.
Yes, there are. I agree. However, deporting someone based upon their religion isn't establishing a national religion which is what the First is about and is supposed to prevent. It would be about ensuring this nation against an internal threat.
I have no trouble with monitoring mosques, profiling people getting on planes, or waging a huge religious propaganda war.
Nor do I, however, only one of those things has anything whatsoever to do with the First Amendment.
And you have a seeming contradiction. You first say that there is a way to wage war "without violating the First Amendment" yet you're willing to propagandize a religion. If that isn't violating the First Amendment, as I gather you interpret it, then explain how it isn't.
I do object to deportation based on religion, and I would be loathe to support internment unless there were no other alternative.
Then that is merely your opinion. I have no problem with it myself. I think every follower of Islam ought to be shipped out as a security threat.
Can't others have a different opinion than yours? How about if their opinion comports with the law and yours doesn't? If a person can be deported based on their nationality or nation of origin then why can't they be deported because of their religion?
TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 3 > § 21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
So a specific religion could be added under the "to establish any other regulations" aspect of existing law including adding those who are naturalized followers of said religion.

I do not wish my government to violate the Constitution, and practically, such behavior would be detrimental to our ultimate goal of victory in this war.
I wish my government would've used better judgement before allowing potentially dangerous people into the nation in the first place. They've known the ways of Islamists for centuries.

We will have ultimate victory or ultimate defeat because the enemy views things in such absolute terms. Anything less means our loss and because of what some in America, including yourself, "believe" we're going to lose! Being PC and "nice" is gonna get us all killed.

122 posted on 07/11/2005 7:13:27 AM PDT by philman_36 ("It’s a legal document, and legal documents do not change." Scalia)
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To: Miss Marple; philman_36; John Filson
I find it insulting that you think that I was "called in as a reinforcement." I happened to be reading this thread and thought to express my own opinion. I do no one's bidding on this forum.

You're insulted? When I saw your post, I knew someone FReepmailed you over here! I have gotten to the point on certain threads, when I know someone is going to show up to help a brother out. Depending on the topic, I'm getting pretty good at guess which particular reinforcements will be called in ;-)

Don't feel insulted, just because most of us here are wise to this tactic, and which posters participate.

In reply to your comment about objecting to deportation based on religion, unfortunately Islam is not only a religion, it is a political system. Your country isn't run by the Vatican or the head of the Methodist Church. These people worship their god in life and political expression. Their political beliefs do not belong here. Ask the poor Canadians. Their idiotic courts are considering allowing Sha'ria laws to be enforced. Coming to you soon, a stoning in your public park.

Screw these people and the trojan horses they snuck in on. That's my opinion

155 posted on 07/11/2005 10:24:54 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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